http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb en-US Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:16:59 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-500194 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:38:19 +0000 cuckoo 500194@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>... </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-500173 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:19:40 +0000 MicArms 500173@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>And why is there only one taxi driver? And is he from the same gene pool as Aryton Senna? </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-500144 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:13:15 +0000 votchy 500144@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Ooooh, one question about Dolgellau, is everyone in the town related? </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-500143 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:12:23 +0000 votchy 500143@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>As promised, bit of feedback from my weekend up there, rode Tawr on Friday afternoon and other then one rocky downhill section I thought it was pish, poorly signposted (missed 3 turns so added about 5 miles of fireroad riding), most of the sections lacked flow with rocks haphazardly strewn around for the sake of having rocks, lost all your speed to pick a line through then dab because you have no speed to carry you over the rocks hidden around the bend. Did Pont Scethin on saturday, nice proper ride, some of the ups turned in to hike a bike and there were some instances of sense of humour failure, however the downs and the scenery more than made up for it so would thoroughly recommend the route to everyone. Sunday we rode MBR before coming home, made Tawr seem even worse, found MBR better signposted (apart from there being no warning at the start that the final descent was closed which was a shame having to fireroad it back to the visitors centre) otherwise the climbs were more interesting and the singletrack was an absolute blast, nice and swoopy and flowy, able to pump the trail and carry silly amounts of speed through sections that were wet enough to keep you on your toes, the 2 CyB trails were like chalk and cheese.</p> <p>Sits back and waits to be put in my place by experts <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-496561 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:25:17 +0000 Rorschach 496561@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Trail centres have to cater for the "average" biker as they represent the largest market.As mountain biking has got more popular the skill set of the "average" biker has naturally gone down.If you were an "average" biker 10 years ago (as long as you still ride the same) you'd be regarded as an expert now!! </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-495050 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:07:02 +0000 Mr Agreeable 495050@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Dunno if they still do it but I like the Italian Depth Charge (hot chocolate with a shot of espresso). The cafe is pretty naff compared to the old one, but a bigger space has obvious advantages in the Welsh dreich, and the food and service could be a lot worse.</p> <p>I think a four-word summary of this thread would be "there's no pleasing everyone". </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-495042 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:04:47 +0000 clarkpm4242 495042@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Started MTBing about 14 months ago and have ridden Tarw (inc Pins and Needles) ~5 times over the period. Had to walk and push bits first time, rode with a few dabs second and then ridden completely with increasing confidence since.</p> <p>Similarly on other rocky sections at CyB.</p> <p>Seems to me that they have it exactly right. The route descriptions, advice and 'qualifiers' all match up to the trails.</p> <p>Though obviously all *way* to sanitised for some...<br /> <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> <br /> Paul</p> <p>PS Have always found the tea and cake at the cafe very nice.. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-495035 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:02:55 +0000 Nick 495035@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I had the best Welsh Rarebit I've ever had in the Cafe at CyB last year </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-494994 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:54:54 +0000 Scienceofficer 494994@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Crikey. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-494969 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:49:21 +0000 Mr Agreeable 494969@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>This topic came up on the old forum more than once, and there were a couple of pretty vocal people saying that the new rock slab sections were too hard. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-494878 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:23:23 +0000 Scienceofficer 494878@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Pins and needles to hard?!</p> <p>I'm surprised at that - where did you hear that? </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-494454 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:48:42 +0000 zokes 494454@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>100? <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-493340 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:14:35 +0000 zokes 493340@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>even if it's no longer to your taste I think being so negative about it is a little harsh. </blockquote></p> <p>Fair point. Just annoyed at the cynical way it was done focussing on H&amp;S and £££ - somewhat contrary to the original ideas of the people who gave the FC the opportunity to make their £££ from the trail centre concept throughout the UK in the first place...</p> <p>Anyway, I may pay it a visit again - if nothing else a long catch up with Adam in the bike shop is probably long overdue anyway! </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-493114 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:08:46 +0000 BigJohn 493114@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Even better than that - download the pdf of all the trails</p> <p><a href="http://www.mbwales.com/en/content/cms/Centres/Coed_y_Brenin/Beast_of_Brenin/Beast_of_Brenin.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.mbwales.com/en/content/cms/Centres/Coed_y_Brenin/Beast_of_Brenin/Beast_of_Brenin.aspx</a> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-493099 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:04:29 +0000 sofatester 493099@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>OS map anyone? </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-493091 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:01:28 +0000 grum 493091@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>That's the thing, it's a pretty amazing facility to provide basically for free - even if it's no longer to your taste I think being so negative about it is a little harsh. </p> <p>Think of how much you would have to pay for any other purpose built leisure facility on that scale.</p> <p>Now if you were slagging off the North Face Trail in Grizedale however... <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-493068 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:54:15 +0000 Mr Agreeable 493068@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>And apparently the rocky new sections like Pins and Needles are waaaay to hard. I want my money back... oh, wait. <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_razz.gif" title=":P" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-493051 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:50:38 +0000 grum 493051@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Sorry I was only joking really, forgot the <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>I might feel the same as you if I had been riding it for years, it's just that from my perspective it's still really good, and I would love to have a big trail centre like that local to me. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-493018 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:35:05 +0000 zokes 493018@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Yeah if only I had more than one bike, then people wouldn't laugh at me on internet forums when I ride on the tarmac like surface of CyB on my 6" travel Pitch. </blockquote></p> <p>I'm not laughing at you at all. There's no need to take any of what I've said personally, it's not intended that way at all. Debate, the exchange of opinion. amazing... </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492998 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:29:49 +0000 grum 492998@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Maybe next time I'll take my full-face helmet and pads as well. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492976 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:24:59 +0000 sofatester 492976@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>HAHAHAHAHAHA</p> <p>Sorry. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492972 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:24:17 +0000 grum 492972@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Yeah if only I had more than one bike, then people wouldn't laugh at me on internet forums when I ride on the tarmac like surface of CyB on my 6" travel Pitch. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492940 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:17:36 +0000 BigJohn 492940@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Votchy - I'm not and so do I<br /> Richtea - All still there and still worth riding. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492819 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:44:25 +0000 anotherdeadhero 492819@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Gone, or are unrecognisable from what they once were. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492811 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:43:05 +0000 richtea 492811@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>wait a sec, am i reading this thread right? herman, pink heifer and the adams family trails have gone? :/ </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492687 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:08:02 +0000 votchy 492687@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>BigJohn - we aren't proper mtb'ers though, we all only have 1 do everything on it bike each </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492053 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:29:11 +0000 BigJohn 492053@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I did some walking between Big Dug and Gomez though. But it wasn't on a footpath. <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif" title=":(" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492051 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:28:18 +0000 jedi 492051@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>im not encouraging anyone, just pointing it out <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492047 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:26:42 +0000 sofatester 492047@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I hope your not encouraging people to ride on footpaths Jedi? <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492043 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:25:58 +0000 BigJohn 492043@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Votchy, you don't need big bikes. I did it on a singlespeeded Soul. Perfect. And Pete Sampras won his first Wimbledon when I was 40. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/3#post-492028 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:20:43 +0000 jedi 492028@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>theres a walking trail that runs from above big doug to the fire road <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-492021 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:19:07 +0000 BigJohn 492021@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>After having said last year, following a day in the Peak District, that I would never go to a Welsh centre again, I've been to CyB twice this year.</p> <p>Last Friday we did half the Tarw (rode straight up to Flightpath and came back down, missing out all the fireroad stuff) then did The Beast (missing out the stupid fireroad climb by taking a left just after the cafe and getting straight to Gomez.</p> <p>Yes, bits have been sanitised but most was excellent. Pink Heifer and Big Dug are great. For max singletrack action, add Dream Time into the loop as well, but this requires map reading skills, combined with looking at the posts.</p> <p>When you get to the point of saying to yourself "Oh No - not another fast rocky technical downhill section" you know there's enough good stuff. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-491984 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:03:44 +0000 jedi 491984@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>this thread has made me want to go back </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-491829 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:27:00 +0000 votchy 491829@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I will let you know next week what I think, me and a few fellow members of the Clent Duffers (tm) are going as part of my 40th celebrations, we will be armed with 5" full sussers and a sense of humour, can't wait to get going <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-491820 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:24:29 +0000 grum 491820@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>/Bangs head against wall/</p> <p>I've said that the MBR is the least changed, with the most notable exception being what was possibly the best descent at CyB being removed (Pink Heiffer). So...... Take the rest of the MBR as an example, and that's a bit more like what the rest of the place used to be. For the best feel, Snap Crackle and Pop, R74 and Flightpath are all still there on the other side under the re-branded Red Bull (now Tarw). Now compare those bits to what's replaced 1) The Pink Heiffer, 2) The Adams family, 3) Herman, and you will either see where I'm coming from, or I'm never going to get the point across.</blockquote></p> <p>Yeah but why does it all have to be like the MBR for it to be any good? What's wrong with a bit of variety? My gf loved the nice smooth, swoopy bits, and I enjoyed them as a contrast to the techy sections. Maybe you're not going fast enough? <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_razz.gif" title=":P" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-491743 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:02:31 +0000 Scienceofficer 491743@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Snap crackle and pop are a shadow of what they were before they were armoured, but that was a good while ago. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-491734 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:59:55 +0000 zokes 491734@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>who found the MBR actually a bit too tough</blockquote></p> <p>/Bangs head against wall/</p> <p>I've said that the MBR is the least changed, with the most notable exception being what was possibly the best descent at CyB being removed (Pink Heiffer). So...... Take the rest of the MBR as an example, and that's a bit more like what the rest of the place used to be. For the best feel, Snap Crackle and Pop, R74 and Flightpath are all still there on the other side under the re-branded Red Bull (now Tarw). Now compare those bits to what's replaced 1) The Pink Heiffer, 2) The Adams family, 3) Herman, and you will either see where I'm coming from, or I'm never going to get the point across.</p> <p>Whilst I accept that erosion was a problem on some of those descents, the main issue was water erosion that could easily have been fixed with some proper repairs and drainage. The main reason that most were changed was H&amp;S. As I've said before, you could get yourself into much more serious trouble as a beginner at most red routes of the the more recently built 7 Staines trails. So why dumb down one centre because of "'elf 'n' safety innit", whilst making man-made jumps, drops and obstacles such as those found on the final descents at Inners and Ae? Mountain biking <em>is</em> a dangerous sport - that's why most of us do it. Best not go outside then..... </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-491728 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:58:12 +0000 Scienceofficer 491728@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Theres no doubt in my mind that most of the UK trail centre have been made more mass-market in the last five years. </p> <p>The style of trail has changed too, from a more technical micro terrain to lovely smooth wiggly bmx tracks in the woods that go up and down a bit as they go along. Theres also more emphasis on jumps and drops than there were in certain locations.</p> <p>IMO CyB remains the most technical of the welsh trail centres but has been sanitised since the early days to satisfy the aforementioned mass market.</p> <p>I've got no problem per-se with trail centres. In the depths of winter, you can't beat getting away from the mud and getting some quality riding in, but for me in general its much less satisfying than 'natural trails' - whatever they are.</p> <p>Going mass market will just force those riders that don't find the technical challenege they're after back to what they used to do - ride the wilder places. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-491621 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:27:59 +0000 ART 491621@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Still going... can see everyones' points but still agreeing with Zokes on this one. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ok-tell-me-about-cyb/page/2#post-491458 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:19:16 +0000 grum 491458@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Zokes, I am not a BMW/Audi driver and I spend lots of time in the 'real countryside' - and I thought it was great. I did it with a few mates, some of whom don't bike that much, including my gf, who found the MBR actually a bit too tough. Perhaps I should have berated her and explained how easy it actually is compared to the glory days of the past.</p> <p>I can see that there perhaps should have been more consultation and attempts to keep in some of the more challenging elements, but I think the level of negativity you display is way over the top. It's still a great facility for biking, just obviously not to your taste any more. I don't think it's that unreasonable to make trails that the vast majority of people will enjoy and many will still find challenging in places, rather than appealing just to an elite few. I would say it still compares favourably to pretty much any trail centre I have been to except Kirroughtree.</p> <p>Given the number of trails there, a 'proper' black run would be nice though. </p>