http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1 en-US Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:05:23 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-498836 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:09:28 +0000 TandemJeremy 498836@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote> cynic-al - Member</p> <p>Biggs now has MRSA </blockquote></p> <p>IIRC he was screened for MRSA on arrival at hospital and found to be carrying it - thus was isolated to prevent him giving it to others.</p> <p>30% of the population are MRSA carriers </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-498802 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:38:27 +0000 Ewan 498802@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>As someone on Radio 4 pointed out the other day, if he'd gone to prison when he was convicted he'd be out by now and able to live his retirement in piece. As it was he got to be free through his younger years (30s, 40s, 50s) and had a good time. He now has to do the time he in effect 'put off'. Good deal if you ask me. He should stay in prison till he's done his time. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-498692 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:57:20 +0000 cynic-al 498692@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Biggs now has MRSA </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-498685 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:51:50 +0000 surfer 498685@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Your obsession with all things Liverpool seems odd.</p> <p>Werent you taught a lesson when you were humiliated on here some time ago and you threatened to "cripple" somebody. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-498645 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:20:27 +0000 Lanesra 498645@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'd love to see all this new evidence. I bet its 3,000 scousers all saying they saw Shields lying in bed reading a book.</p> <p>Even if you look on Liverpool football forums most of there fans are uncomfortable with the whole thing and think he did it.</p> <p>The funny thing is if Straw doesn't grant the pardon, Shields will have to admit he did it otherwise he wont get parole next year (same as Biggs) </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-498222 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:40:20 +0000 aracer 498222@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8134555.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8134555.stm</a> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-496536 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:12:13 +0000 epicyclo 496536@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Biggs dying in prison? Justice is served.</p> <p>Brilliant. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-495363 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:28:37 +0000 surfer 495363@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Shields, then set about teaching Mr Georgiev a lesson in what English teenagers abroad are wont to do when drunk: adminstering vicious beatings.</blockquote></p> <p>This a clear criticism of British youth in general and a bit of a generalisation do you agree?</p> <p><blockquote>Thompson said he did not know Shields, despite the fact that he had stayed in a room next to his at the hotel</blockquote></p> <p>Apparently he had never met Thompsom and I am not sure why it would be unreasonable not to know the person in the next room as the Telegraph points out? <blockquote>kind of cousins</blockquote> what does this mean either they are or they arent.</p> <p>Other articles I have read paint a different picture. Apparently he was taken from the hotel to the scene, forced to wear clothes that werent his but witness claimed the assailant was wearing, chained to a radiator whilst witnesses were paraded past then put in a line up with only 2 other men, both under 6ft (Shields is over 6ft) he was the only one with fair hair and the only one wearing a white T shirt!<br /> No attempt was made to gather forensic evidence which could have linked him with the crime.</p> <p>Jack Straw has refused to release him and I have no axe to grind either way. I dont think public opinion should force his hand. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-495295 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:06:02 +0000 DrJ 495295@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>The Telegraph article is slightly biased </blockquote></p> <p>Which bit is biased?</p> <p>From the comfort of my armchair I can confidently state that they are a bunch of horrible yobs and the pity is that they are not all banged up. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-495259 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:54:40 +0000 surfer 495259@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>regardless interesting reading in that telegraph article. I liked the bit where all his mates apparently popped into his room throughout the night to get their phones, check for a party etc and saw him asleep. Its just a shame they all didn't have to a do a few months for attempting to pervert the course of justice</blockquote></p> <p>Maybe and maybe not. Again I am not defending Shields and the fact that he is still behind bars in the UK indicates to me that he is likely guilty however I have read alternative explanations by witnesses who "popped" into his room that night and when they are explained using different language they are actually far more plausible.<br /> The Telegraph article is slightly biased and has nothing to do with a thread on Biggs other than a certain person bringing it up. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-495231 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:46:32 +0000 richc 495231@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>regardless interesting reading in that telegraph article. I liked the bit where all his mates apparently popped into his room throughout the night to get their phones, check for a party etc and saw him asleep. Its just a shame they all didn't have to a do a few months for attempting to pervert the course of justice. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-495044 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:05:30 +0000 surfer 495044@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Regarding the Shields case. Imagine, if you will, the opposite scenario. Bulgarian lout drops paving stone on innocent scousers head. Bulgarian lout sentenced to 10 years in Walton Jail. On appeal he is allowed to serve the rest of his sentence in Bulgaria. After a short time the Bulgarian Home Secretary announces a full pardon. Can you picture the outrage in Liverpool? Doesn't bear thinking about. </blockquote></p> <p>Whats the Shields case got to do with Biggs?</p> <p>Oh, Lanresa, of course! </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-495033 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:02:31 +0000 Coyote 495033@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Regarding the Shields case. Imagine, if you will, the opposite scenario. Bulgarian lout drops paving stone on innocent scousers head. Bulgarian lout sentenced to 10 years in Walton Jail. On appeal he is allowed to serve the rest of his sentence in Bulgaria. After a short time the Bulgarian Home Secretary announces a full pardon. Can you picture the outrage in Liverpool? Doesn't bear thinking about. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-494540 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:50:31 +0000 FunkyDunc 494540@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>If he stops being a stubborn old git and 'repents'then its all fine and dandy and he will be released.</p> <p>Just shows that all these murderes and rapist etc are not stupid... Judge "so then do you think what you did was bad?" Dodgy horrible scum "Oh yes judge I realise what I did was wrong, and I'm so sorrry" Judge "ok then off you go...." </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-494512 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:17:35 +0000 uplink 494512@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>This post has previous - FFS pay attention people!</blockquote></p> <p>All posts have previous </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-494509 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:15:51 +0000 Drac 494509@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><em>This post has previous - FFS pay attention people!</em></p> <p>2 months ago they hadn't made a decision.</p> <p>That Telegraph is article is very interesting. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-494393 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:55:39 +0000 eldridge 494393@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>This post has previous - FFS pay attention people!<br /> <a href="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/good-old-ronnie-biggs" rel="nofollow">http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/good-old-ronnie-biggs</a> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-494133 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:20:07 +0000 scraprider 494133@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>feck him , let him rot , i dont give a s$%t if he snuffs it in jail, he only came back cos he was ill. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493904 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:16:53 +0000 TandemJeremy 493904@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>johners - general media stuff. Nowt in particular with the families claims - I remember at the time of the court case there was much doubt expressed </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493900 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:14:44 +0000 johnners 493900@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Lanesra - nice link. Dunno what to believe now</blockquote></p> <p>I like your readiness to consider other evidence but I've got to ask, TJ - what were you basing your previous opinion on if that article's swayed you? The family's poster campaign, some low opinion held about a foreign court or what? </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493867 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:03:48 +0000 uplink 493867@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Whether you like it or not that's what happens - live with it</p> <p>The home secretary makes the decision, not the public but he <u><strong>factors in</strong></u> public opinion he doesn't have a quick show of hands</p> <p> <img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_rolleyes.gif" title=":roll:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493805 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:37:43 +0000 Northwind 493805@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Uplink wrote: <blockquote>Straw needs to factor in public concerns when making these sort of decisions</blockquote></p> <p>Why? This thread shows that the public makes their decision based on half-truths and half the facts, then applies knee jerk emotion as a topping. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493719 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:08:30 +0000 TandemJeremy 493719@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Lanesra - nice link. Dunno what to believe now </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493665 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:49:38 +0000 Jimbo 493665@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><strong>...and they wont let the bugger out of prison, even though his bones are breaking under thier own weight and he can barely look after himself.</strong></p> <p>Good. Let the f*cker rot inside. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493659 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:47:41 +0000 uplink 493659@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>How exactly did 'the people' make the individual decision?</p> <p>Straw needs to factor in public concerns when making these sort of decisions, he does it when looking into apparent lenient sentences too.<br /> The main reason Brady &amp; Hindley were never released was in no small part due to public opinion over the case - &amp; long may it be that way </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493647 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:43:17 +0000 Lanesra 493647@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Shields family just then on C4 news bleating about justice, pathetic.</p> <p>No mention of the guy who his son nearly killed </p> <p>Probably the most unbiased piece on the case <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1495692/Innocent-gentle-giant-Or-remorseless-thug-guilty-of-attempted-murder.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1495692/Innocent-gentle-giant-Or-remorseless-thug-guilty-of-attempted-murder.html</a> </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493628 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:38:12 +0000 Northwind 493628@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>porterclough - <blockquote>No, it's very wrong. There should be a seperation of powers</blockquote></p> <p>Well said that man, the people making serious decisions on individual sentencing shouldn't be worried about how it'll play in the media, they should be doing it on the facts of the case alone. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493469 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:14:11 +0000 fisha 493469@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>sod him. let him rot in jail. I really dont care about him one bit. Dont home crying to mummy Ronnie, you're getting what you deserve. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1/page/2#post-493454 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:07:07 +0000 izakimak 493454@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>If biggs had served his time instead of doin a runner part way through his sentance then he would have been out by now, and would have been able to spend his last day's with his family. As it is if he want's to spend it with them their going to have to sit in chokey with him. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493436 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:57:26 +0000 G 493436@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Can't do the time don't do the crime.</p> <p>Biggs and his mates were serial offenders, nasty bastards by all accounts. Despite all the efforts to glamourise what they did it was a nasty squalid crime, and his life subsequently has been a nasty squalid round of living off his "Reputation" and freeloading. Hes earned his time so let him have it. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493330 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:11:18 +0000 Coyote 493330@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>"Ronnie Biggs was doin' time until he done a bunk..."</p> <p>Spent a good deal of time livin' it up in Rio, laughing at the British Plod. Who's laughing now Ronnie? </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493329 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:11:03 +0000 cynic-al 493329@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I wondered how long it would take for this to crop up...He should serve his sentence, be paroled etc in the normal way.</p> <p>I can't believe the brass neck of his son, lying to the media.</p> <p>He's already had 60+ odd years of freedom has he not? </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493309 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:02:49 +0000 Drac 493309@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><em>and some guy who was paid to make a "confession".</em></p> <p>And you know this for sure? </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493284 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:53:49 +0000 Lanesra 493284@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The only people who have said Shields never did it, were his mates and some guy who was paid to make a "confession".</p> <p>All the rest of the non partisan witnesses placed him at the scene commiting the crime </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493278 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:51:01 +0000 Rickos 493278@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>It's only right the Straw considers public opinion - that's his job<br /> </blockquote></p> <p>Is that like taking a Straw poll?</p> <p>IGMC... </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493276 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:50:38 +0000 trailmonkey 493276@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>He deserves to spend more time in clink for that terrible record with the Sex Pistols alone. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493275 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:49:33 +0000 RepacK 493275@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I think we did this some time back..But to repeat sentiments from above - he's showing no sign of remorse &amp; only came back to the UK when he became unwell &amp; homesick.. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493262 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:45:18 +0000 Heather Bash 493262@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>[i]biggs did a runner and goaded/gloated over the system for years in Brazil (including having a child to avoid deportation) and had no remorse at all or guilt until he required health care he could no longer afford. I am struggling to think of a less deserving case for parole frankly and I am a bleeding heart liberal </p> <p>Sums it up.</p> <p>I remember the gloating. iirc the cheeky fcuker even glamourised his crime with various publicity stunts (singing with the Sex Pistols?) </p> <p>The establishment were never going to let him go once they got him back and quite rightly imo. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493259 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:44:50 +0000 TandemJeremy 493259@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Of course I don't for sure - but there was a lot in the press including others confessing to the crime, witnesses that say it wasn't him and so on.</p> <p>The ECHR judgement was not on the facts of the case but on the procedure.</p> <p>However I don't think a pardon is right. </p> http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ronnie-biggs-1#post-493251 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:42:43 +0000 porterclough 493251@http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>To some extent that is correct - some of our longest serving prisoners are those who were locked up as miscarriages of justice - they refuse to admit their guilt they don't get parole </blockquote></p> <p>If they admit to being a witch and repent they go free, if not they must be burnt for the sake of their souls... good to see we've moved on. </p>