That doyene of Social and Judicial policy, Michael Winner, says so…

Film-maker Michael Winner, who is the chairman of the Police Memorial Trust, called for arming officers.

“The police are not equipped and I have put up memorials to 44 slain police officers.

“It is almost certain that at least 38 of those would be alive had they been armed and they would not have wives without a husband, children without a father or mother, [and] mothers without a son.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12005886

Just maybe not at riots though eh?

It is almost certain that at least 38 of those would be alive …

And it is completely certain that there would be a lot more dead coppers if the British police was armed.

Which probably goes a long way in explaining why the police themselves don’t want to be routinely armed.

Would you trust every office to carry a gun. While some are probably more than responsible enough some are clearly not as demonstrated by their actions.

Maybe an increase in the number of armed police but to very strict standards.

What’s the latest thoughts on this just creating an arms race with criminals moving up from knives to more deadly weapons.

It is almost certain that at least 38 of those would be alive

Yes we dont really want an arms race between the goodies and the baddies as there will be more deaths on both sides.
Mind you if Michael Winner gets hit in the cross fire I am willing to consider it.

Mind you if Michael Winner gets hit in the cross fire I am willing to consider it.

C’mon…he is not all bad.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS5S2Dio2_Y[/video]

i concur……… 😀

It is almost certain that at least 38 of those would be alive had they been armed

Sure about that?

lets go the whole hog

The police at airports are armed like the SAS and they haven’t gone around shooting everyone.

The police at airports are armed like the SAS and they haven’t gone around shooting everyone.

Might be because they are highly trained specialist units who are afforded a level of training that could never be rolled out to a whole force and keep the same level of quality?

I am probably wrong tho.

Yeah that clip does indeed cast Winner in a very favourable light Jamie, and he certainly has my utmost respect for saying what he said. But to be fair almost anyone would come out looking good when put next to Richard Littlejohn. Littlejohn is in a league of his own when it comes to obnoxious and repulsive.

Might be because they are highly trained small specialist units?

And possibly because there is not much crime at airports.

Besides, the issue here isn’t about the police “shooting everyone” it is about the police themselves getting shot.

And possibly because there is not much crime at airports.

Safest places in the world innit…..

…but then is that because of the armed officers?

wasnt it a plucky glaswegian bricky that took out the last terrorist at a uk airport

Look at the number of people killed by armed police without any cause? its a worrying issue.

Brazilian plumbers etc, the chap with the table leg in a bag – there has been a few

I am happy that all cops get tazers – but not guns

It always surprises me how much real life is just like an airport terminal.

Look at the number of peole killed by armed police without any cause

So is that 2 then TJ?

In Israel, all the teenagers go into the army, for a few years, and when traveling usually carry a loaded rifle with them, bit strange to see a gang of very poluite teenagers getting on the bus with loaded rifles, also the bus drivers carry a gun and a lot of town centre bus stops have armed security guards, everyone pays their fare, and there is little shoplifting.

What’s the latest thoughts on this just creating an arms race with criminals moving up from knives to more deadly weapons.

Maybe we could avoid an arms race by just giving the police knives instead?

It always surprises me how much real life is just like an airport terminal.

It is. Just with less Toblerones.

Solved…

If I was a policeman, I’d be applying for that unit…looks like a right laugh.

Safest places in the world innit

Airports are not necessarily the “safest places in the world” but they are areas of very low crime rate, something which pre-dates the arming of police at airports.

Unless of course you know different and can prove that crime such as robbery, rape, etc, at airports is the same as the average for an inner-city.

iDave – Member

Look at the number of peole killed by armed police without any cause

So is that 2 then TJ?

There have been more over the years

wasnt it a plucky glaswegian bricky that took out the last terrorist at a uk airport

That was a complete misunderstanding – the guy was on fire and, like any friendly weegie, he was simply trying to help a stranger by stamping out the flames.

For no real reason, here is a bar chart:

– Source

Look at the number of people killed by armed police without any cause?

The table leg guy was a bit of a grey area you must admit. It wasn’t clear that he was unarmed until it was too late, surely?

Project – Israel’s not exactly famous for having a progressive enlightened society that treats all its citizens fairly and decently, is it?

the point is it was not clear that he was armed but they shot him just in case

Israel’s not exactly famous for having a progressive enlightened society that treats all its citizens fairly and decently, is it?

That statement does not make much sense. The Israelis look after their own citizens very well. I feel you are getting mixed up and thinking the Palestinians are citizens of Israel….as they are not you know.

some are Jamie as are some arabs how well do they do?

Jean Charles de Mendez

James Ashley

Harry Stanley

Stephen Waldorf

Derek Bennett

Mohammed Abdul Kaha

These are just the ones I know of. All unarmed, some died. Its clear that the police get too hyped up and gungho about this if you read the cases none of these men were any threat at all nor was there even a credible fear of threat

The key think is that we should be looking at why these incidents have happened and how to prevent them in the future.

the point is it was not clear that he was armed but they shot him just in case

I think they shot him because they thought they were going to be shot themselves…

molgrips
The table leg guy was a bit of a grey area you must admit. It wasn’t clear that he was unarmed until it was too late, surely?

Rubbish – read up on it. Teh challenged him and as he started to turn round shot him in the back No credible threat at all.

30 victims listed here. NOt all clear cut cases.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/shot-dead-by-police-30-officers-convicted-0-511859.html

molgrips
The table leg guy was a bit of a grey area you must admit. It wasn’t clear that he was unarmed until it was too late, surely?

Rubbish – read up on it. Teh challenged him and as he started to turn round shot him in the back No credible threat at all.

30 victims listed here. NOt all clear cut cases.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/shot-dead-by-police-30-officers-convicted-0-511859.html

The Israelis look after their own citizens very well.

Only if they fully support the Zionist state. I’m assuming you haven’t heard of Arab Israelis, Mordechai Vanunu, or anyone else who tries to frustrate the aims of the Zionists.

Only if they fully support the Zionist state. I’m assuming you haven’t heard of Arab Israelis, Mordechai Vanunu, or anyone else who tries to frustrate the aims of the Zionists.

For the sake of scoring cheap points I was ignoring them and would appreciate if you did the same.

you dont just get shot for no reason…………. 🙄

you dont just get shot for no reason

🙄

yeah that de menezes had dark skin and he ran to get on a tube

LOL at Jamie you ar PM of Israel and I claim my £5

Poor trol Ton

I think they shot him because they thought they were going to be shot themselves…

Apparently they thought the man with no visible weapon was about to shoot them- that pretty much covers us all does it not? Occasionally I face them as well though is that more dangerous?

So out of interest, Junkyard, is everyone else apart from you an incompetent fool rubbish at their job?