[Closed] Arm the fuzz now!

It is almost certain that at least 38 of those would be alive ...

And it is completely certain that there would be a lot more dead coppers if the British police was armed.

Which probably goes a long way in explaining why the police themselves don't want to be routinely armed.

Would you trust every office to carry a gun. While some are probably more than responsible enough some are clearly not as demonstrated by their actions.

Maybe an increase in the number of armed police but to very strict standards.

What's the latest thoughts on this just creating an arms race with criminals moving up from knives to more deadly weapons.

It is almost certain that at least 38 of those would be alive

Mind you if Michael Winner gets hit in the cross fire I am willing to consider it.

C'mon...he is not all bad.

i concur......... 😀

It is almost certain that at least 38 of those would be alive had they been armed

Sure about that?

lets go the whole hog
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The police at airports are armed like the SAS and they haven't gone around shooting everyone.

The police at airports are armed like the SAS and they haven't gone around shooting everyone.

Might be because they are highly trained specialist units who are afforded a level of training that could never be rolled out to a whole force and keep the same level of quality?

I am probably wrong tho.

Yeah that clip does indeed cast Winner in a very favourable light Jamie, and he certainly has my utmost respect for saying what he said. But to be fair almost anyone would come out looking good when put next to Richard Littlejohn. Littlejohn is in a league of his own when it comes to obnoxious and repulsive.

Might be because they are highly trained small specialist units?

And possibly because there is not much crime at airports.

Besides, the issue here isn't about the police "shooting everyone" it is about the police themselves getting shot.

And possibly because there is not much crime at airports.

Safest places in the world innit.....

...but then is that because of the armed officers?

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wasnt it a plucky glaswegian bricky that took out the last terrorist at a uk airport

Look at the number of people killed by armed police without any cause? its a worrying issue.

Brazilian plumbers etc, the chap with the table leg in a bag - there has been a few

I am happy that all cops get tazers - but not guns

It always surprises me how much real life is just like an airport terminal.

Look at the number of peole killed by armed police without any cause

So is that 2 then TJ?

In Israel, all the teenagers go into the army, for a few years, and when traveling usually carry a loaded rifle with them, bit strange to see a gang of very poluite teenagers getting on the bus with loaded rifles, also the bus drivers carry a gun and a lot of town centre bus stops have armed security guards, everyone pays their fare, and there is little shoplifting.

What's the latest thoughts on this just creating an arms race with criminals moving up from knives to more deadly weapons.

Maybe we could avoid an arms race by just giving the police knives instead?

It always surprises me how much real life is just like an airport terminal.

It is. Just with less Toblerones.

Solved...

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If I was a policeman, I'd be applying for that unit...looks like a right laugh.

Safest places in the world innit

Airports are not necessarily the "safest places in the world" but they are areas of very low crime rate, something which pre-dates the arming of police at airports.

Unless of course you know different and can prove that crime such as robbery, rape, etc, at airports is the same as the average for an inner-city.

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Look at the number of peole killed by armed police without any cause

So is that 2 then TJ?

There have been more over the years

wasnt it a plucky glaswegian bricky that took out the last terrorist at a uk airport

That was a complete misunderstanding - the guy was on fire and, like any friendly weegie, he was simply trying to help a stranger by stamping out the flames.

For no real reason, here is a bar chart:

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Look at the number of people killed by armed police without any cause?

The table leg guy was a bit of a grey area you must admit. It wasn't clear that he was unarmed until it was too late, surely?

Project - Israel's not exactly famous for having a progressive enlightened society that treats all its citizens fairly and decently, is it?

the point is it was not clear that he was armed but they shot him just in case

Israel's not exactly famous for having a progressive enlightened society that treats all its citizens fairly and decently, is it?

That statement does not make much sense. The Israelis look after their own citizens very well. I feel you are getting mixed up and thinking the Palestinians are citizens of Israel....as they are not you know.

some are Jamie as are some arabs how well do they do?

Jean Charles de Mendez

James Ashley

Harry Stanley

Stephen Waldorf

Derek Bennett

Mohammed Abdul Kaha

These are just the ones I know of. All unarmed, some died. Its clear that the police get too hyped up and gungho about this if you read the cases none of these men were any threat at all nor was there even a credible fear of threat

The key think is that we should be looking at why these incidents have happened and how to prevent them in the future.

the point is it was not clear that he was armed but they shot him just in case

I think they shot him because they thought they were going to be shot themselves...

molgrips
The table leg guy was a bit of a grey area you must admit. It wasn't clear that he was unarmed until it was too late, surely?

Rubbish - read up on it. Teh challenged him and as he started to turn round shot him in the back No credible threat at all.

30 victims listed here. NOt all clear cut cases.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/shot-dead-by-police-30-officers-convicted-0-511859.html

molgrips
The table leg guy was a bit of a grey area you must admit. It wasn't clear that he was unarmed until it was too late, surely?

Rubbish - read up on it. Teh challenged him and as he started to turn round shot him in the back No credible threat at all.

30 victims listed here. NOt all clear cut cases.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/shot-dead-by-police-30-officers-convicted-0-511859.html

The Israelis look after their own citizens very well.

Only if they fully support the Zionist state. I'm assuming you haven't heard of Arab Israelis, Mordechai Vanunu, or anyone else who tries to frustrate the aims of the Zionists.

Only if they fully support the Zionist state. I'm assuming you haven't heard of Arab Israelis, Mordechai Vanunu, or anyone else who tries to frustrate the aims of the Zionists.

For the sake of scoring cheap points I was ignoring them and would appreciate if you did the same.

you dont just get shot for no reason............. 🙄

you dont just get shot for no reason

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yeah that de menezes had dark skin and he ran to get on a tube

LOL at Jamie you ar PM of Israel and I claim my £5

Poor trol Ton

I think they shot him because they thought they were going to be shot themselves...

So out of interest, Junkyard, is everyone else apart from you an incompetent fool rubbish at their job?

seriously fella's, all the ones teej listed were shot in very conflicting circumstances weren't they.
accidents happen.

Stephen Waldorf?He was asking for it he had long hair and was sat in a mini.

I do not believe we should arm the police there is a natural and unfortunate tendency by those who believe they are in authority to try and coerce compliance it is all too easy to pull a weapon to try and get some one to do what you want . At the moment that weapon for the police is the threat of arrest or cs gas, when that goes wrong people get falsely imprisoned, hit or at burned by the cs gas .Introduce a gun and you will get more risk of fatalities. More fatalities means less trust of the police and less respect for authority.

Also look at the scenario that has caused this debate, Copper on bus doing his job randomly attacked by nutter could he really have got his gun out in time to defend himself , if it was in that sort of easy draw could not any nutter have snatched it.In that scenario had the other officers been armed we have then got the risk of firearms being discharged at short range on a bus. Do you really want to live in a country where fare evasion inquiries are all conducted at gun point?

The officers were clearly doing their duty correctly and all responded to a horrific event with considerable courage. For the arm the police lobby to try and exploit this incident for their own agenda when guns would have been at best useless and at worse horrifically counterproductive is shameful.

No they were not Ton - go read up on them. The only conflicting circumstances was that the police issued misinformation to attempt to make it look like there was reason for confusion.

De mendez we all know. He was followed by police after mistake identity until he got on the tube when hew was shot. He made no threatening movements or anything and he was shot while being restrained by a policeman.

Harry Stanley. Shot in the back as he walked down the road with a table leg in a bag.

James Ashley
In bed naked with his girlfiend when shot

Stephen Waldorf
In his car in a traffic jam - shot with no warning

Derek Bennett
Shot in the back as he ran away

Mohammed Abdul Kaha

Shot in the chest as he investigated who had broken into his house. No warning. Unarmed.

teej.........give up.
all were conflicting circumstances.

So out of interest, Junkyard, is everyone else apart from you an incompetent fool rubbish at their job?