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[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8663681.stm ]BNP out on the Campaign trail[/url]
Now to be truthful if someone spat at me I would do my nut and probably do the same, although spitting at the BNP, should this be allowed 😈
Clip of the day
Holy Fwck! Gotta love the BNP 😕
Lordy!
police said an 18-year-old man attended Barking police station and alleged common assault against another man.
Assuming that the guy didn't show up to the cop shop to grass on himself (although anything's possible with 18 year old dickheads), I would have thought he alleged common assault [i]by [/i]another man.
It seems that sentence is a mix between "made an allegation of assault against another man" and "accused another man of alleged assault". Actually, on reflection, is my pedantry misplaced? I'm confused now.
police said an 18-year-old man attended Barking police station and alleged common assault against another man.
looked like 6 of one & half a dozen of another to me
Bigbloke - You are trolling right?
Love the comedy kick by the BNP guy. (Note to self never kick in suit trousers)
Bet he'll get a few votes outta that clip!
Fatman in a suit akshun!
ha ha class, yeah if someone spat at me id go ape, but not in front of a Tv crew. they all look like a set of idiots....
Bigbloke - You are trolling right?
I was wondering about that....
Bigbloke - You are trolling right?
I assume he is referring to the BNP guy not the Asian chaps, not that they cover themselves in glory spitting in the guys face.
Anyway lets not ruin a good thread with another racist argument. 😀
When asked about the fight Mr Griffin told BBC London the fight was the result of a "campaign of hatred and dehumanisation against any group of people, in this case us".
😯 😯
Got feel for them eh poor BNP being affected by hatred and bigotry
It's a funny fight and I bet he does win some votes for doing it but really, it just goes to show (if it wasn't already clear) what a bunch of dickheads the BNP are. He knew he was being filmed, he's a politician on a campaign trail, he should have immediately reported it to the police.
looked like 6 of one & half a dozen of another to me
Agreed - no excuse for any single person's actions in that clip. But no-one could possibly say the BNP guy was any more wrong than the guy spitting in his face in the first place - it was pretty revolting provocation.
Briliant well done that'll get the BNP a few more votes.
Uplink, I don't think it does, the young lad went straight up to him and the BNP guy just held him off a little before being spat at, which is totally disgusting, and I think would trigger a fight reaction in anyone?
no excuse for any single person's actions in that clip
You mean apart from the common law rule of self defence...?
You mean apart from the common law rule of self defence...?
after the bnp fella defended himself, he went in for another portion
they're all pricks in that particular clip
Thats beautiful.
I've never seen or read anything which indicates that any bnp candidate is anywhere near the top of the tree, evolutionarily speaking, and this reinforces that, at least from a pr point of view.
Shame the big lad was such a wuss, it had looked so promising 🙂
Have to agree with oldgit on this one - very disappointing performance from the big lad, but then again, members of the BNP are, unfortunately, quite tasty when it comes to a pagger. Next time, use a big stick (preferably with all dog sh*t on the end).
That was quite a large arse at the end though 😯
You mean apart from the common law rule of self defence
Self defence from being spat at?
notice the token wee hard man escaping from the fracas near the car and scarpering behind the two legged hippo with a white t-shirt on towards the end of the clip.
nobody comes out of that very well, but i'd be surprised if a kick like that didn't land an assault charge, especially as its caught on camera - that sort of thing can cause serious injury if it connects.
Self defence from being spat at?
yup - it's reasonable to defend yourself in that case
how far you can take it [as always] open to interpretation
If he believed the bloke still posed a threat then kicking him is perfectly lawful - there was a melee, potential further threat from others in the group and confusion all round - he did not walk away and then go back for another kick (which would have been illegal), he did not look up and assess the situation before kicking, it was an instinctive act - the aggressors here were clearly the Asian lads, who approached straight to within his personal space and then assaulted him - the balance of proof in this case is that the prosecution would have to show that he was not acting in self defence,
[i]"If there has been an attack so that defence is reasonably necessary, it will be recognised that a person defending himself cannot weigh to a nicety the exact measure of his defensive action."[/i]
all quite depressing stuff really. The guy who spat didn't do himself any favours, and BNP guy betrayed himself for exactly what the BNP are.
Sadly all this clip achieves is reinforcing hatred.
That [i]was[/i] a massive arse at the end though.
I thought politicians were just supposed to kiss babies.
Self defence from being spat at?
yup - it's reasonable to defend yourself in that case
how far you can take it [as always] open to interpretation
That is an absurd thing to say in my opinion. It was not self defence, it was retaliation.
Self defence is protecting yourself from harm and he was not protecting himself from harm in any way, shape or form. He just got angry and retaliated.
Spitting at someone is assault though, maybe he thought he was defending himself from being assaulted again?
I am the only person who finds this thread title fuhnny?
Spitting at someone is assault though
Agreed
Chasing him down the street and kicking him afterwards was not self defence though.
Chasing him down the street and kicking him afterwards was not self defence though.
as I said earlier in the thread......
[i]after the bnp fella defended himself, he went in for another portion[/i]
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[i]how far you can take it [as always] open to interpretation[/i]
Self defence is protecting yourself from harm and he was not protecting himself from harm in any way, shape or form. He just got angry and retaliated.
Given the entire circumstances - ie. three lads have just walked up, invaded your personal space and one has then assaulted you, plus someone (not clear who) in the video has said "I'll F***in do for you I'll tell you" (threat to kill?) then the conclusion that the entire situation means you're under an immediate threat is perfectly reasonable - as uplink said "defending himself from being assaulted again"
Chasing him down the street and kicking him afterwards was not self defence though.
To be fair, he didn't chase him down the street - there was a melee, short lived, and an immediate reaction, as long as he felt he was still under threat, self defence is valid - if the lad was running away and they had chased after him it would have been different, but it was a melee with punches being thrown by all sides.
Just timed it and from the spit to the kick was four seconds! thats not "going back for more"
Zulu; you don't half talk some shit, don't you, eh? 🙄
You mean apart from the common law rule of self defence...?
You're only allowed to use 'reasonable force'. This is open to interpretation, but I suspect the Nazi went just a little beyond that. The spitting is inexcusable; the lad should have used a brick...
Those lads are young, cocky and arrogant. But they've got every right to confront Nazi thugs. That could very well be the street they live in. And the sound has been heavily edited, no doubt due to the swearing, but the Nazi says something to the effect of 'get on your bike and f-off', which to me is pretty provocative and insulting. And at the beginning, he moved his hand toward the smaller lad; that's actually Common Assault. So, it could be argued that the initial act of assault happened at that point.
he aggressors here were clearly the Asian lads
Clearly. The fact that scum like the BNP have attacked Asian and Black people in the past; that their parents probably suffered racist abuse, discrimination and even attacks, for decades, and that racism has divided communities, has no bearing at all here. Those lads are clearly out of order, and have no right to try to interrupt the peaceful democratic right of the BNP (or indeed any party) have in canvassing for an election.
Pfft.
No surprise to see you siding with the Nazis, Zulu.
but I suspect the Nazi went just a little beyond that
On what basis exactly - other than the fact he's a Nazi and clearly therefore in the wrong
but the Nazi says something to the effect of 'get on your bike and f-off' which to me is pretty provocative and insulting
Just after someone's said "I'll ****ing do for you" - threats to kill aren't provocative then?
The fact that scum like the BNP have attacked Asian and Black people in the past;
O, sorry, so you're saying that the asian lads were acting in self defence are you?
No surprise to see you siding with the Nazis, Zulu.
🙄 - I call Godwins law!
Believe me Fred, I hate [u]All[/u] socialists with a passion you cannot imagine, not just the nationalist ones
3 asian lads were responding to abuse shouted at them by the bnp
no doubt the nasty nazi wannabes were spoiling for a fight as tehy nknew they were being filmed and wanted to provoke the lads
i dont think id want to fight a bnp candidate
probably honed their headkicking skills as football hooligans before they were banned from attending matches
Funny how the BNP didn't come down my street. we're all British, all hard working, all (except me) of asian origin...
I do wonder what they shouted at him first (before the filming(is that selective editing from the BBC?)) but if he wants to be a politician he needs to learn to take some abuse. The guy shouldn't have spat at him, and should be charged appropriately, but I'm pretty sure the BNP guy said "there's more of us than there are of you so **** off? Sounds like a threat to me!
I did wonder if the thread title was going to be along the lines of "eat your heart out prescott, and bake it in a pie?" Not sure why?
Enough of your waffling. You're not fooling anyone Ratty. We know you're a closet nazi. You just don't have the balls to come out and say it.
Just as well for secret ballots, eh?
You've clearly not looked at their policies, eh Freddie
You expect someone politically to the right of Atilla the hun to vote for what basically amounts to The Labour party manifesto on steroids... nationalisation of the means of production FFS!
I think you'll find that the BNP's core voting demographic are far, far more aligned with Labour heartlands than my own!
Ignorant white power socialists!
Of course, you know nothing about my personal life or who I choose to associate with - however as always you've elected to try and play the "racialist" card - Welcome back to the old Fred, good to see you back on form mate, we missed you! Are you going to start random photo posting in threads and calling everyone names before going a bit mental and losing it before getting banned again?
LOL at the arguing on this thread!!! Bunch of old women.
3 points
1. BNP are a bunch of c*nts so spitting on them is fair game.
2. Spit on someone and expect a good slap in return!
3. That was a massive arse.
anyone else hit the pause button when that huge arse appeared near the end?
oh...
just me then 😯
however as always you've elected to try and play the "racialist" card
Don't really have to with you. You reveal your true colours in the shite you regularly spout.
someone politically to the right of Atilla the hun
Don't flatter yourself. You're not that interesting. You're just another tedious boring right-winger who hasn't got the balls to come out and say what they really think.
now you two remind me of my two children squabbling at bath time
It's ok JY; my ADHD's kicked in and I'm bored now. He can have the rubber ducky.