prototype 31 lbs, target weight is <30 2200quid 5 inch travel
they were demoing the ap1r at caersws, didnt get a ride 🙁

So they’ve got an XC bike now! Good to see; got chatting to them at Fort Bill several years ago.

An XC bike that weighs a ton and will probably break and no doubt cost a fortune. Where do I sign up…

30lbs!! **** me that’s a hippo, not an xc bike 😯

Am struggling to see the point…

i think you can sign up at http://www.miserablenegativebstards.com

Do they break regularly? Empire bikes? I thought they were pretty sturdily built…

Kimbers try here

http://www.avoidreality.com

They don’t have the best reputation.

bloody hell that’s fugly

as far as i was aware their dh bikes were pretty much indestructable

the bikes themselves were very nice in the flesh amazing detail

One broke and it was a proto!!

Rest is just tinterweb bull!!!

The Ap1 rode amazingly but heavy. Not sure I would want an Empire now Craig is no longer involved though. He was the main man there.

So what does it achieve? Seriously.

It’s a lot heavier than ‘normal’ bikes, it’s more expensive because of the production costs and quantities, why is it something to be excited about?

Is it just a new niche? Is a singlesped-rigid-fixie-crosser-belt drive now not enough unless it’s CNC’d!?

Looks nice though.

The most commercially successful cast bike:

Whats that, a Black & Decker Workmate with pedals?

Pretty much.

Noob!