prototype 31 lbs, target weight is <30 2200quid 5 inch travel
they were demoing the ap1r at caersws, didnt get a ride 🙁
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So they've got an XC bike now! Good to see; got chatting to them at Fort Bill several years ago.
An XC bike that weighs a ton and will probably break and no doubt cost a fortune. Where do I sign up...
30lbs!! **** me that's a hippo, not an xc bike 😯
Am struggling to see the point...
i think you can sign up at www.miserablenegativebstards.com
Do they break regularly? Empire bikes? I thought they were pretty sturdily built...
They don't have the best reputation.
bloody hell that's fugly
as far as i was aware their dh bikes were pretty much indestructable
the bikes themselves were very nice in the flesh amazing detail
One broke and it was a proto!!
Rest is just tinterweb bull!!!
The Ap1 rode amazingly but heavy. Not sure I would want an Empire now Craig is no longer involved though. He was the main man there.
So what does it achieve? Seriously.
It's a lot heavier than 'normal' bikes, it's more expensive because of the production costs and quantities, why is it something to be excited about?
Is it just a new niche? Is a singlesped-rigid-fixie-crosser-belt drive now not enough unless it's CNC'd!?
Looks nice though.
The most commercially successful cast bike:
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Whats that, a Black & Decker Workmate with pedals?
Pretty much.
Noob!