Right. Got a letter from a bailiff’s firm, about them coming to repo stuff from me. for a debt of Council Tax from a place I lived at over 2 years ago. I was sharing with 3 others.

But hang on, i paid my share before moving out, and thought everything was cool?

It appears not…

Unbeknownst to me, the other person liable (one of the others was a student, the other a French embassy official, both exempt) din’t pay their share, and buggered off. So, for the last two years, I’ve been oblivious to the fact that there has been an outstanding debt. Which is not mine, as I’ve paid my share. We all informed the CT people we were moving out, they sent a final bill, I paid my half in online, and assumed the other person had done the same.

But no.

It transpires that she din’t pay owt, and was contacted by the CT recovery team, to pay off the debt. Then, it went to a bailiff’s firm, who made arrangements with her, which she subsequently also defaulted on.

Guess what? She’s disappeared! BIIIITCH!!!!

Spainish, in’t she? Probbly buggered off back there, I’d imagine, without paying off what she owes.

Ok, fine, no problem, I’ve paid my share, so I ‘phone up Bailiff’s firm.

‘Sorry, but you were jointly liable, so you have to pay off the outstanding debt, plus bailiff’s fees’.

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Hang on, surely not?

‘Sorry, that’s how it goes. CT is payable per household,not by the invididual’.

AAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

‘And we’re coming to get your stuff’.

Not this time, Gal…

So I ‘phone Council Tax people;

‘Sorry, Mr RudeBoy, but as one of the liable tenants, it is your legal obligation to pay the outstanding amount, plus the bailiff’s fees’.

Mr RudeBoy is, by now, no longer a Happy Bunny®….

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Unfortunately, one of the perils of living in a shared house, is that you are reliant on everyone else paying their share equally. and if one buggers off, you are left with having to pay the lot.

There has been much anguish, wailing, gnashing of teeth, and suffice to say, I am a tad miffed.

It’s several hundred pounds, with bailiff’s fees added… 😯

YOU ABSOLUTE ****! YOU NASTY, SNIDEY, VINDICTIVE *****!

This lass, we’d all helped her with all sorts of stuff; I got her a place on a local college course, we helped with her CVs and stuff, I built up a nice little bike for her, I recovered her bike when it had been stolen, cooked for her, looked after her when she was ill, all sorts.

So what have I done, to deserve this? 😯

Proper, proper low. Bang out of order.

And the CT system is flawed, in this kind of situation. Should be per individual, unless you are a ‘family’.

Now, I, as you know, am a mild-mannered chap, and i can’t bear confrontation, but this is it.

I shall unleash Hell on Earth, for her. She shall feel the full Wrath of RudeBoy. No-one gets to make me look a mug, and gets away with it!

Scenes over East London, today:

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Duzznt matter…

You must be a bit miffed about that.

aye fred, you’re right – the poll tax was a better option !

I’m scared….

…of Rudeboy’s ignorance of the joint and several basis of Council Tax liability!

Bit lacking in the CAPS department in my opinion. To be a proper RANT

who wudduv thought it

Had the same issue but had receipts of bills before I left to cover my butt.

Land lady tried to keep my deposit till I emailed her receipts of everything I payed and it was the ‘girls’ who didn’t pay nowt.

Sorted.

I sugges t you ring the council to explain.

It would never have happened with a Poll Tax….

If you lived in a shared house, with an individual tenancy agreement for a room, with shared communal facilities, then the landlord’s liable, not you.

If the other 2 aren’t worth chasing – they’ll come after you
You are liable for the whole debt – regardless of any agreement you had with the others – & so are the other 2

My advice would be to claim the other 2 lived there but you didn’t, you just visited & you were in fact the French diplomats gay lover

This lass…I got her a place on a local college course, we helped with her CVs and stuff, I built up a nice little bike for her, I recovered her bike when it had been stolen, cooked for her, looked after her when she was ill, all sorts.

Admit it, you were trying to get a shag. You weren’t trying to help her for any altruistic reasons.

And the CT system is flawed, in this kind of situation. Should be per individual, unless you are a ‘family’.

Goes against your ideology that (wasn’t the Poll Tax a bad Thatcherist idea?).

If there had been no notification about the outstanding debt, then the debt collectors have been wheeled in without any warning, i’d say you have a case against your old council to get bailiff’s fees waived. Oh, sorry, that would be in a fair society, something that the so called “peoples’ party” have eroded. Good old Labour!

Glad your feeling better.

surely if your name isn’t on the bill you don’t have to pay?

Send it to any MP you like and tell the council they were using it as a second home at the time.

You really gots to chill.

sorry mate but you’re done for. Bite down and take it.

My wife had exactly the same when she was ripped off by a housemate before we met. Except she didn’t believe they could do it right up to the point where they got a CCJ against her for recovery of the costs. She ended up with the bill AND a completely fecked over credit rating, which left her unable to get a credit card, our mortgage was refused until I put it through in my name only and we still bank separately so I’m not quite as tarnished by it.

Unjust – sure. Legal? Absolutely.

Rudeboy – did you post here for sympathy or to cheer us all up?

I think this is a very good ratn, considering how under the weather you have been. Like all the best rants, it is wrong, senseless and ill-directed. Good use of pictures too.

Did you deliberately craft it so the answer would be “poll tax”, or is that a happy accident?

Admit it, you were trying to get a shag. You weren’t trying to help her for any altruistic reasons.

Please, i’m not Hora. TBH, we actually did have quite a happy household. Which makes it all the more surprising that she’s done this.

The bailiff’s being a C. Just rung him to inform him that I’ve now made an arrangement with the council tax recovery dept, who are saying that they will remove the bailiff’s fees as I’ve only just been notified of this debt, and therefore have been given no chance to pay it, and he’s still getting all arsey. Tosser.

he’s still getting all arsey. Tosser

he’s gotta earn a living somehow

Socialism in action. You can afford so you must pay. Remember it’s not your money, you just get to earn it until the state wants it. Perhaps now you’ll keep your liberal ideals till after youve “had” the house mate.

Tough one though.

you really have to get things in writing – phoning people means sh1t all when it comes down to it…

Not poll tax. The Community charge was unfair, as it charged per head, regardless of how many people lived at a property. And they were bloody steep, too, in all but Tory boroughs…

No, same system, but with protection for individuals who are merely sharing, rather than living as a family unit. IE; if there’s 4 people, then the total amount is divided by 4. Each person pays a quarter, and if one defaults and absconds, the remainder is not charged to the other poor sods. Do you know how much CT fraud is going on?

It’s a conspiracy is not it………

Why shouldn’t it be? Have their bins not been emptied? Where is the logic in a charge based on the value of the property which is divided between the occupants? Bonkers.

I do admire the transparent self-interest of your politics. It’s all “justice for brarn people”, “kill Stoner and take his money” “in the perfect republic I wouldn’t have to pay Council Tax”. 😀

he’s gotta earn a living somehow

Well, he won’t be getting owt from this job! Bailiff’s have failed to inform me previously, yet have had my addy for over a year. They’ve just waited for their charges to ramp up. The CT people won’t be paying them on my account.

Be funny if they do turn up! I’ll just sit indoors, with me music turned up. Maybe sit on the balcony. If I need to nip out, I can always go through next door’s! 😀

Bailiff’s can be utter Cs. They have no meaningful legal training, and are often ignorant of the Law. As in this case; I’ve tried to save this bloke a wasted journey (from Leicester!), but he’s being all ‘hardman’ about it.

I’ve spoken to a solicitor, who says I have nothing to worry about, as the agreement I’ve made with the Council nullifies any Bailiff action. Aside from the issue of them not giving me adequate prior warning or opportunity to pay.

Where is the logic in a charge based on the value of the property which is divided between the occupants?

Did you not read my bit propply?

In situations where the members of a household are neither related to or in any direct relationship with any of the others, why should they be liable for someone else’s debt? So, buy a pint, but the bloke in front of you buggers off without paying for his. You think it’s right to pay for his pint too?

I do admire the transparent self-interest of your politics. It’s all “justice for brarn people”, “kill Stoner and take his money” “in the perfect republic I wouldn’t have to pay Council Tax”

Poor, BD. What’s my being ‘brahyn’ got to do with anything?

People should pay their fair share. I did, yet I’m now having to pay for someone else’s, who is actually now breaking the Law.

Do you know how much CT fraud is going on?

You can help reduce this by paying the money your housemates are due 😀 You’ll be doing society a favour and get to feel all good about yourself.

BigDummy – Member

I do admire the transparent self-interest of your politics.

I LOLLED at that, wuzznt it?

Yes, I read your bit properly. The basis of the charge is currently stupid. You are proposing making it stupider. You kicked up a fuss when fatcha tried to make it rational.

In your analogy, you and mate approach the bar, the bartender says, “what will it be gents” You say “a WKD Blue please, with a little paper umbrella in it” , and your mate says “A bacardi and coke” to the barman and “get this for me, I’m going to the loo” to you and sneaks out of the pub. The barman charges you for a WKD blue and bacardi and coke. You ordered it, you pay for it. He doesn’t care how you sort it out between yourselves.

Justice for brahyn people was the key policy of the Rude Manifesto which you published before the yerpean electonions. It dovetails nicely with your belief that if something affects you and you don’t like it then it offends against natural justice. Which appears to be the point of this rant. 🙂

whats this RB’s utopia (aka Landarn) isn’t all its cracked upt to be, or even taxed fairly?

whatever next?

:p

Not poll tax. The Community charge was unfair, as it charged per head, regardless of how many people lived at a property.

Come again? Surely a per charge head is precisely related to how many people live at a property?

good rant, but there’s no such thing as “not liable” unless all housemates meet the criteria. I had to take a substantial bank loan to pay the council tax when I found that 6 students and one ambulance driver gets you 25% off nut nothing else. worse thing was finding out a few years later that due to low income i didn’t have to pay either, but you can’t back date these things!

we are some what amused.

dammit, atlaz beat me to that one…

plus surely OP loses points for his rant based on posting links that actually work – link FAIL would have added drama points.

Rudeboy on supporting LBS

Might sound bang out of order, but I will try on clothing/footware in shops, to get the correct size, then buy online, if cheaper. Sorry, but it’s simple economics, I’m afraid. I’ll go where it’s cheaper, and save my moneys. I can’t be losing sleep over the loss to the LBS. Capitalism, right? Survival of the fittest and all that? If the LBS can’t offer the same low price as online, then they lose my custom.

What goes around comes around, the Germans have a word for it….

Bend over Sugartits……

I just feel really sorry for you, mate. Honest. It takes a lot to really get my sympathy, but this sorta thing makes my blood boil, really it does. Livin’ there in the great cosmupolitan city like you do and bigging it up to all and sundry, they should like be paying you to live there and not the other way round. Wussnit you as fought London’s corner against them ignorant norverners? Wuzzn’t it you as put the the ‘dun’ in Lundun? It’s a freakin’ disgrace and no mistake. As fer yer housemates, well, I knows you aint a violent type though you are a vicious little bastard by your own admission, I says shop ’em to the Babylonians. Why do you refer to yerself in the third person by the way, is you Kevin Keegan in disguise?