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what a load of *hit,used to be if a female soldier got pregers , they left the army , i dont see how the army is responsible on this ocasion,seems like a ploy from some one not from the u.k to get money ,
agree slowjo
you could argue that point citing anyone anywhere
my point is, soldiers only ever fight for their buddies - democracy and freedom are too vague as a motivation, and although some wars [b]may[/b] involve altruistic leanings, for the most part they're just business by other means
are you asking the right people after they've been trained to subservience ?
You'd better be self employed or that would be rather hypocritical.
my point is, soldiers only ever fight for their buddies - democracy and freedom are too vague as a motivation
Whatever man WGAF, we're just lucky to have people brave enough fight or we'd all be goose-stepping and saluting with a straight arm....
my point is, soldiers only ever fight for their buddies
Cock, complete and utter cock.
we're just lucky to have people brave enough fight or we'd all be goose-stepping and saluting with a straight arm....
except that all the people that fought in those wars are no longer in the forces, and the current lot are involved in conflicts that might well be better unfought.
except that all the people that fought in those wars are no longer in the forces, and the current lot are involved in conflicts that might well be better unfought.
Ok Simon, this may be news to you but the soldiers don't pick the conflicts. They do their job. The "current lot" are no different than the "previous lot" in that respect.
Ok Simon, this may be news to you but the soldiers don't pick the conflicts
[b]exactly[/b] - they surrender their freedom of choice, trusting to highly dubious leaderships who might just as easily be working to dismantle freedom and democracy, particularly for those who end up dead 🙁
Ok, so what if the population of Britain felt that WWII was unjust? WWI?
What if the they thought that Bosnia/Kosovo/Sierra leone wasn't worthy?
What if they plain couldn't be arsed? Same result.
What's your idea? **** em all, let the genocide continue?
The army aren't to blame for current conflicts, the labour govt is.
...and who might just as easily not be!.....trusting to highly dubious leaderships who might just as easily be working to dismantle freedom and democracy
I think you are arguing for sake of it now and so OT it's ridiculous.....................
The army aren't to blame for current conflicts, the labour govt is.
did they do the World Trade Center too ?
What's your idea? **** em all, let the genocide continue?
uh, world to [b]backhander[/b], still happening 🙁
uh, world to backhander, still happening
well maybe they were told to go and can't be bothered.
simonfbarnes
Where you bullied by an Army Cadet as a child. Why the total disdain for the Army? Do you have the same beef for the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force?
sfb is just a closet anarchist - not really worth wasting your time arguing with him on this one.
Ok, so what if the population of Britain felt that WWII was unjust? WWI?
Why bring up those conflicts to try and justify the actions of the military now? There's no comparison. Then, the borders of Britain were at threat. That is not the case now. In fact,to try and compare many current members of the British armed forces, with those that fought in WW's 1 and 2, is insulting. Those soldiers fought for freedom from tyranny; Todays soldiers are mostly little more than mercenaries hired to protect corporate interests and further the imperialistic desires of the West.
Where you bullied by an Army Cadet as a child. Why the total disdain for the Army? Do you have the same beef for the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force?
my objection is philosophical, not personal. And yes, I make no distinction between any of them.
sfb is just a closet anarchist - not really worth wasting your time arguing with him on this one
not closet, but being an anarchist wouldn't invalidate my opinions per se. I'm not the only one suggesting British actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are actually making us less secure, and not really making things any better for the natives either.
The "current lot" are no different than the "previous lot" in that respect.
The 'current lot' are all volunteers. The 'previous lot' were largely conscripted, even though most were more than willing to fight for their country.
Massive difference.
I'm not the only one suggesting British actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are actually making us less secure, and not really making things any better for the natives either.
Except that's not actually what you appear to be arguing on this thread.
Except that's not actually what you appear to be arguing on this thread.
I am now. Are we only allowed one idea at a time ?
Are we only allowed one idea at a time ?
No but in your case the record appears to be stuck.
I am now. Are we only allowed one idea at a time ?
No, but you can't invalidate somebody's point about what you were arguing about before by changing tack 🙄
Not that I'm convinced it's worth bothering arguing your new point - has been done so many times before on here, and is never that exciting. If you want an interesting argument you'll have to do better than that.
but you can't invalidate somebody's point about what you were arguing about before by changing tack
so now we're arguing about what we're arguing about, or have I inaccurately paraphrased you ?
so now we're arguing about what we're arguing about, or have I inaccurately paraphrased you ?
You might be - I'm going to follow my own advice!
Why bring up those conflicts to try and justify the actions of the military now? There's no comparison. Then, the borders of Britain were at threat. That is not the case now. In fact,to try and compare many current members of the British armed forces, with those that fought in WW's 1 and 2, is insulting. Those soldiers fought for freedom from tyranny; Todays soldiers are mostly little more than mercenaries hired to protect corporate interests and further the imperialistic desires of the West.
What a load of absolute dogshite.
We do not need to justify the actions of the military. THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD TO BY THE GOVERNMENT. This is what the military do, they cannot pick their fights.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE between the soldiers of today and yesterday, that is just nonsense. They are just people at the sharp end, put there by politicians doing their job as a military should.
If you hit someone with a hammer, it's not the hammers' fault.
+1 Backhander. It's nice to see the Army and the RN agree for a change 😀
+1 Backhander. It's nice to see the Army and the RN agree for a change
The RAF agrees too! 😀
If you hit someone with a hammer, it's not the hammers' fault.
if you decide to be a hammer it's your fault
There is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE between the soldiers of today and yesterday, that is just nonsense.
[b]NOT[/b] a claim I'd be in any hurry to make, as it implies that nothing has been learnt and nothing can change. In fact we have different people, different motivations, different circumstances and superficial resemblence.
This is what the military do, they cannot pick their fights.
ie abdication of responsibility ?
So when my B&Q hammer bends a nail who is repsonsible? Hammer maker, vendor, material supplier? Or is it the guy who controls the hammer at the time?
I've not met anyone in the forces who abdicate responsibility; we make our own decisions within a defined framework. Be that the framework our political masters put us in or the tasks set by our Commanders. The concept of the mindless subservient soldier/sailor/airman is about as misguided as it comes.
We might not pick the wars we fight but how we conduct ourselves in those situations is our responsiblity and what separates us.
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if you decide to be a hammer it's your fault
No it's not.
stupid cow should have got 1 weeks show parade ( showing best boots and wearing them on the last nite ) for missing morning paraed, i like loads of other people sufferd this , reports like this really grip my sh$* surly she cannot complete HER obligtion to HER contract ???? again STUPID COW.
No it's not.
The war crimes tribunal says otherwise
Chill, scraprider, chill.
It's not affecting you, so don't get so wound up...
The war crimes tribunal says otherwise
What war crimes tribuneral dude. You talking about the nuremberg defence?
If so you are quite clearly out of your depth.
A hammer likes to be a hammer to drive nails into a wall. All of a sudden, the new owner uses it to smash into someones head. Hammers fault?
you could be incorrect mate , as it comes out of mine and your taxes, money better spent on the lads and gals fighting overseas, not some dozy tart .
Hammers fault?
as much as someone may wish to sacrifice their humanity, there is no legal or moral basis for it. A person may only acquire the status of 'hammer' when frozen solid (and dead)
money better spent on the lads and gals fighting overseas, not some dozy tart .
Actually, I think I prefer the latter option. Less people die with that one. 🙁
"money better spent on the lads and gals fighting overseas, not some dozy tart ."
Actually, I think I prefer the latter option. Less people die with that one.
You mean by giving her the money rather than spending it on better armoured vehicles or protective clothing? You need to think that one through a bit better, Fred.
You mean by giving her the money rather than spending it on better armoured vehicles or protective clothing?
better keep them in Blighty polishing potatoes and peeling boots or whatever it is they do here...
Todays soldiers are mostly little more than mercenaries hired to protect corporate interests and further the imperialistic desires of the West.
You prick, i'm no mercenary I fight for queen and country (proud to do it too)not Obama. If we didn't fight their we be fighting them on our own doorstep even more. Remember the London bombings
better keep them in Blighty
You don't think it's maybe just a tad too late for that option at this stage?
. If we didn't fight their we be fighting them on our own doorstep even more
I'd like to see some evidence for that possibly baseless assertion
Remember the London bombings
carried out by English citizens...
I am speechless!! I really hope she doesn't get one ounce of joy from that money.
She knew what she was signing up for, but because the system wouldn't bend for her she starts crying boo effing hoo. Some people really need to learn how to use contraception if they can't manage to look after their kids on their own.
aren't you forgetting that the purpose of people is to make more people? Everything else is just collateral...
It's amazing how you can hate someone you've never met! SFB and Talkemada - you are a pair of ****s. To be a soldier is to be part of history, a man amongst men. So what have you guys done for the collective good of the country? - had a vasectomy maybe?
So why are you still here wasting oxygen, Simon? I presume you're not planning on making any more people?