Fair enough, though as I said if its important enough to be slinging *****'S about then just steer clear of the cycling forum and do something else till you get to your highlights.
Ok, I think we're clear now. I didn't see the earlier thread so it seems it was toys out the pram then.
It's childish to think that STW can be grown up enough sometimes not to spoil others' enjoyment? But it's ok to post a ****y thread because one's earlier ****y thread was pulled? Hmmm...
I didn't see the earlier post either, its a fair cop guv!
why do we have stay clear ? why can the OP just not list spoilers in titles?
Other sports are treated the same way football, cricket, rugby , F1 etc. it is just a bit of common decency /respect which is become much less common.
I think it was called Wiggins out or something similar before being pulled.
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Not the best way to start the description...
Anyway, I was in Halfords...
Oh, i defended him earlier as i thought a mod had added (spoiler) to the title and people had got the wrong end of the stick, but if he posted 'wiggo out ' (did he really do that? I can't really see Houns doing that) then yes, Houns you're a knobber!
He did post that thread, it had some lame joke about him being married as the content rather than anything about TDF. I ****ing hate knobbers who post results in thread titles, I don't care if it's TDF or football or rugby.
I hate knobbers who think the world should stop becasue they havent seent he highlights yet. Some of us want to discuss this now. This is really an unbelievable, quite bizarre development on STW, I cannot actually believe the MODS pulled the Wiggins Out thread, this is frankly madness.
Who's asking the world to stop? I'm just saying that people should consider what title to use on a thread. You can happily say what you want in a thread, you don;t have to read every thread, but if the title gives it away then it's a bit late.
Occasionally, people get a bit overexcited and post a thread without thinking, that's unfortunate.
Occasionally, some people sit down and think really hard about how they can appear to be clever and funny and post something that gives away a result when the content of the thread is entirely unrelated. These people are knobbers
and yes, occasionally, some people do actually sit down and think and decide to post the result. These people are knobbers too.
which bit of "not posting the result in the title" is hard for you to understand?
What nbt said ^^.
There's a daily thread for TdF stuff, usually posted by RealMan where everyone talks about it.
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tdf-stage-7-possible-spoiler-content
He's been posting them for the last week so most people know the score. Thread title doesn't give anything away, anyone who wants to watch the highlights later can still read the rest of the forum knowing that the TdF chat is safely tucked away in that thread which they can ignore.
Then yesterday within seconds of Brad falling off the forum was awash with threads titled "Noooooo, Brad's out" and "Wiggins out of Tour". Then some oh so hilariously funny people started posting other threads with similar spoiler-ish titles to presumably to show their wit or just to wind people up.
Same with any sport, it's happened beofre in F1 where there's been a spoiler thread then somethings happened and next minute the forum is full of threads like "Hamilton crashes again!"
All that's required is 10 seconds thought before posting as to what the thread title should be. I know that 10 seconds of thought from certain people on here is asking a lot though...
which bit of "not posting the result in the title" is hard for you to understand?
Tho I agree trying too hoodwink people isn't really on its not listed in the forum rules that you can't post results. People have been trying to avoid the footy scores of a Saturday for years.
As mentioned about 4 times now if you want to avoid a cycling result or news then avoid a cycling forum till you get home!
[i]People have been trying to avoid the footy scores of a Saturday for years[/i]
So you reckon they should go on football websites and ask that no-one talks about the results til they get to watch the video? (rhetorical, not aimed at maxray).
Not defending any position btw, just seems odd to me to go on a sport specific website and expect others not to talk about a big event result.
I sometimes like to tape the rugby - keep off the rugby fansites and keep tv and radio off til I've watched it.
Not defending any position btw, just seems odd to me to go on a sport specific website and expect others not to talk about a big event result.
But that's not the issue. You can talk all you want. Just don't mention the result in the thread title. I ask again, how hard is it to understand that?
how hard is it to understand, if you don't want to know the result keep off the forum. Do you avoid the news websites in case you see the results? They don't have a no spoiler policy, why should we have it here? Its arbritary, bizarre and a bit mental.
Do you avoid the news websites in case you see the results?
Personally, yes, if I want to avoid certain results. I also keep RSS feeds for my preferred sports in a separate reader. To be clear, I couldn't give a stuff about the TDF or the football myself, I just don't like knobbers who think it's funny to spoil other people's anticipated enjoyment.
It's not "arbritary, bizarre and a bit mental", it's "common sense and decency".
I ask for the third time, [i]how hard is this for you to understand[/i]
I ask for the 2nd time, how hard is it for you to understand?
I'm not saying that your desire to not know is arbritary, bizarre or mental, thats fien and if anythign a bit of fun. What is arbritary, bizarre and mental is the sense that others should have to join in and are morally compelled to join in. This is a bike forum, we want to discuss the sport and I don't see why anyone is a knobber just for broadcasting the result. Ok it seems HOUNs did it to wind you up, but I think he may have doen it to prove two points.
1) Its all over all the news pages, noone else hides it, if you want to avoid it, stay off the forum.
2) There are some pillocks on here, who have come out droves on this thread.
As I said, I don't care about this result. I've been on this forum for ten years now, and every year we have the same thing, "oh I want to be able to post the result in the title". It's not hard to understand - post a title which means people know not to read the thread if they want to avoid a result. Otherwise it doesn't just mean staying off a cycling forum to avoid cycling results and a skiing forum to avoid skiing results etc etc, it means more or less staying off the internet in case someone posts a result about an unrelated sport - I don;t want to come on here and see that rugby result I've been avoiding becasue it's a cycling forum so it's ok to post rugby results
dont post the results in the thread title. Not. Hard.
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Umm like avoiding all forms of news media in case they publish the result? Tough I say. It's free speech on here we will post what we like. If you wan to avoid the reuslt, stay off the forums/internet/tv/newspapers/pub/any public space where people may want to discuss current events/highhorse, that isnt that hard either is it?
[i]common sense and decency[/i]
Tough I say. It's free speech on here we will post what we like
we can but try 🙄
Well its an assumptpion of free speech - albeit moderated, sometimes foolishly.
If it was free speech on here then there wouldn't be moderators, but there are and it isn't
ffs.... thought i would read this thread, sorry but anyone saying it is free speech and other such crap really needs to have a rethink.
it is quite easy to avoid the places on the internet where the results are going to be, am i the only person who notices that news on tv often actually warns viewers about sports results.
If you want to post about something use you head, it applies to all parts of life, but i guess you think it is acceptable to post news in general before those affected are aware.
two groups of people with diametrically opposed views fail to see each others points of view shocker...
fwiw I have pretty much no sympathy with those who think spoiler content is unacceptable or who imagine some unwritten agreement exists around this, but I understand that those who think differently are entitled to their opinion and that I am not going to persuade them to change their perspective
I wonder if they understand that I am entitled to my opinion and that I am not going to change it even if they repeatedly call me a nob?
have a nice day
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Everything was going so well, until:
oh and by the way I like some of the superstarcomponents stuff
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sorry don, couldn't help myself
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two groups of people with diametrically opposed views fail to see each others points of view shocker...
yes, one group who have a degree of courtesy and would post a thread that allows someone the choice to read the contents, and a group of kn*** who have no courtesy. Bit like life in general i guess.
I'm surprised at you Toys, you're normally one of the more tolerent people on here.
No one is asking anyone to not talk about anything and there are no impications for 'free speech'. We're just asking that you don't shout a result from the rooftops of something people might reasonably be looking forward to seeing during the highlights show. Some of us don't spend all day following the news/fora/websites etc and may choose to avoid news/sites etc to enjoy the highlights as if they were the race unfolding live.
You might not think that's worthy but it only takes a nano second of consideration, no pain, no money and no aggro to avoid putting a result (TdF, footy, rugby etc) in the thread title. Yes we can avoid STW completely but it really shouldn't be neccesary. It's a little tiny weeny bit of consideration not a pint of blood.
Please just think about this when posting. Houns BTW was just being a chump and reacted like a 10 year old when he was pulled up by a Mod.
Can the mods create a sticky thread called:
SPOILER: The Tour de France Thread
and ban anyone who opens another thread about it?
Ok this is just silly. 10 years in here and still stupid enough not to avoid the forum if you don't want a tdf spoiler! Now that really is hard to understand!! As most people in here slack off work to post its not like you don't have a valid task to keep you off here for a few hours in the afternion.
maxray - Member
Ok this is just silly
On this, at least, we agree.
My mission in life now is to do this by default. Come the football season/autumn internationals/olympics, as soon as the event is over, I'm going to post the results in forum titles. Yes, lets just see how reasonable that is. But, for those that it impacts, they can always stay away so that's OK then....
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boblo, i think I am being tolerant, tolerant of peoples right to discuss current events without fear of retribution from some anal wierdo's who have to watch the whole program at 7pm pretending that its happening in real life when the rest of the world knows what went on. I dont deny anyones right to be anal and wierd, I just dont think they should project it on the rest of us by calling people knobs and proposing banning those who want to live in the real world and discuss actual current events.
They way I see it is that the no tdf spoilers crew are intolerant, if they want to exist in their strange little bubble then stay away from real time interactive media where the point is to be real time and interactive.
My mission in life now is to do this by default. Come the football season/autumn internationals/olympics, as soon as the event is over, I'm going to post the results in forum titles. Yes, lets just see how reasonable that is. But, for those that it impacts, they can always stay away so that's OK then....<sigh>
This is justs as silly as it isnt what you want to do, I for one am not particulalry interested in deliberatly posting spoilers, but I might have by accident as I didnt realise it was the done thing on here, and I am even more surprised by the vociferous hating of houns for doing so (on purpose or not). That is an example of intolerance.
How long should people wait in not posting threafs that may show a result? Just til the next day, a week for those who are working away? a month to be safe?
Tough I say. It's free speech on here we will post what we like
You were putting your point of view (albeit the wrong view) across well until you said that. Then you lost.
toys19 - Member
i think I am being tolerant
from some anal wierdo's
in their strange little bubble
Aren't these statements mutually exclusive?
As for how long, same day would be nice but within the hour is the problem in this case.
OK, I'm done here. Last question. If you were chatting in the office to a colleague whom you knew was a fan of xyz sport, you knew the result and he didn't. You also knew he was looking forward to catching up with it after work and asked you not to reveal the result during the conversation. Would you?
DD your grasp of logic has long been the subject of my amusement. Thanks for that missive.
DD your grasp of logic has long been the subject of my amusement. Thanks for that missive.
Ah, then he gets personal. Bless...
Still loses though.
OK, I'm done here. Last question. If you were chatting in the office to a colleague whom you knew was a fan of xyz sport, you knew the result and he didn't. You also knew he was looking forward to catching up with it after work and asked you not to reveal the result during the conversation. Would you?
Of course not, I'm not a ****er 🙂 Equally though, if he knew you were a 100% certified **** and would tell him as soon as the conversation started, he'd avoid you. This same thing has come up every year around the TdF. I hereby predict that EXACTLY the same thing will happen next year. Sadly it does seem that to avoid TdF spoilers you have to stay away from here. Of course it isn't right but them's the facts.
I still reckon banning people who post spoilers in the titles would solve the problem.
Of course it isn't right
Which is all I think too. I, too, know very little will change.
So you reckon they should go on football websites and ask that no-one talks about the results til they get to watch the video?
The point is you can talk about it and no one is asking that people stop this. People are asking that people dont post titles which give away results. It is not hard to for this to occur and then both groups can do what they want.
One group gets to not know the results one group gets to discuss the results.
Why is this not preferable to one group has to avoid STW because folk use title threads as spoilers? It is worth noting the thread poster did it deliberately as he hates the tour and people who watch it.
fwiw I have pretty much no sympathy with those who think spoiler content is unacceptable or who imagine some unwritten agreement exists around this, but I understand that those who think differently are entitled to their opinion and that I am not going to persuade them to change their perspective
The problem is if you do your thing you stop us doing our thing. You can still do your thing and just not give the result away in the thread title. This has happened here across all sports and it just some basic consideration for other people. Really it is just ruining other peoples enjoyment not enhancing your own.
i think I am being tolerant, tolerant of peoples right to discuss current events without fear of retribution from some anal wierdo's who have to watch the whole program at 7pm pretending that its happening in real life when the rest of the world knows what went on.
Again you can discuss it just dont ruin the result for people in the thread title.
They could have said Big TdF crash [ even said] top rider out for example to attract people in rather than name them. Clearly it is more fun to watch something if you dont know the result than if you do. As for the ad hominem bit pointless and not worthy of response.
but I might have by accident
you might have then again you might have done it deliberately , had your thread pulled, then posted another one like what happened to cause this debate. They are not the same thing. The situation you describe usually involves the OP going sorry rather than gloating.
That is an example of intolerance.
what is ?asking him to not ruin the result for people? Is he not intolerant of our wish in fact he is doing it to ruin oit for folk is taht tolerance of other people? I tolerate people deliberately ruining my fun, you sure it works like that?? Given he/they can discuss the issue - start a thread even without giving the result away in a clearly named spoiler thread. All he did was ruin it for folk who did not want to know the result, Why you think that is tolerance and objecting to this intolerance is lost in me tbh. It's a biy like asking someone to tolerate the behaviour of someone on an ASBO
People can discuss the sports live NO ONE IST YRING TO STOP THAT AND THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR it is only asked that titles dont ruin it for those who will watch it later.
i am going for 8 spoiler threads today 5 real and 3 ironically wrong ones.
i am going for 8 spoiler threads today 5 real and 3 ironically wrong ones.
So you won't be on here, or you enjoy being angry?
ha ha oh dear 😆
Given this is an old debate because people have regularly posted spoilers in thread titles, surely anyone wanting to avoid results should avoid the forum. Ideally people wouldn't post them, but they have in the past and will continue to do so, thus the only pragmatic approach to be sure of avoiding spoilers is to stay off the forum until you've watched whatever highlights you're waiting for.