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204 & 311(the wife).
Thanks
Sorry no... Not doing very well here am I? I reckon I got around 250 different riders out of the 400 entered though.....
£2 for charidee mate? Of course!
Shame you missed me attacking the bridge though eh? 🙂
Shame, some good looking photos there. I thought you got me coming down the singletrack near the end. Must have dazzled you with my Uni skills. 😛
That last bridge was excellent.
I used a small amount of brake on the first 1/6th, I just couldn't not brake, to my eternal chagrin, but always got fully airbourne at the top!
Which is rather apt, since Long Valley is where the Parachute Regiment does it's selection course, P Company!
Anybody want a pic, please email me direct on
Peterpoddy@googlemail.com
I'm busy at work, so apologies if it takes a while to get back to you...
😀
[i]That last bridge was excellent[/i]
Tell you what though - it was damn scarey to come over the brow on my second lap, thinking "Oh good brakes not needed!" and seeing someone pushing their bike across! I'm not sure what I shouted, but I think it was just "NO!!!" and they leapt out of the way. Can't imagine why someone would walk across the best bit of the course..
I'll check the photos when I'm on the home pc - number 294. The missus got a fantastic photo of me getting a full 6 inches of air and pulling a silly face on the little lip after the bridge 🙂
I did nearly take out some photographer chap who was fiddling with his flash next to the bridge. Apparently he had been getting in lots of peoples way....
Number 234.
Ta
294, No, sorry. (Got 293 and 295 though. D'Oh!)
234, yep, got you on the slippy corner at the bottom of the fence. 🙂 Email me direct (peterpoddy@googlemail.com) and I'll send you a proof to look at. 🙂
That was fairly late on, lap 4 I think, and I got my gears all wrong if I recall correctly, making a mountain out of a molehill!
I think we even managed a quick chat.
Email on its way.
Any more for a cheap pic for a good cause? 🙂
I took the kids up & watched some bits of the race (mainly up at the top rather than too far down towards the field). Looked excellent. We have a Tuesday night ride planned to pootle around as much as we can, certainly nice to have new trails up there to play on.
Was there on the bike in spectator mode, was interesting hitting the descent/bridge into the area blind, I then understood why all the spectators were gathering 🙂
And lol @ the pikey rider who tried to nab a load of ForGoodnessShakes bottles before he was spotted.
The whole course open to the public then? If so I'm going to go back as I think it'd be a good gauge of my fitness improving (or going backwards)
Number 36 PP...
The fastest lap was under 30 minutes!
My 2nd lap was 48, but it's a very different strategy, doing hot flying laps as opposed to when you know you're there for 4:30+hrs. If it had been a single lap as quick as you can, then I'd manage a 42 I guess.
Rather academic since I'm training for 24hr solo at the end of May.
I still need to take on more fuel, particularly in the form of energy bars; I downed 1 gel per lap when I stopped back at the car, but couldn't face much else. Ultimately this would have lead to me bonking and extreme fatigue. There is much still to be done!
I had no idea they were giving out free drinks; can I have mine now?
Why would that lead to you bonking? Plenty of energy in gels, stomach's more likely to be an issue over 24 hours, not the lack of energy.
doing hot flying laps as opposed to when you know you're there for 4:30+hrs. If it had been a single lap as quick as you can, then I'd manage a 42 I guess.
George only slowed down to 32 minutes on his 4th lap, hardly a one lap flier then settling down. He also came 3rd at his first attempt at Mayhem Solo, he's a rather handy rider!
atlaz ... you should be fine to ride the course as often as you like with no dramas.
Winner of the 40+ cat did 7 laps. [b]7 LAPS![/b] Madness!
One last thing. My pic from PeterPoddy is excellent (yes, even though I'm in it). So if he has one of you - BUY IT 🙂
Not if you're using up more energy than you're putting in!
I know the winner of the Montane Kielder 100 mile race was consuming 3x gels an hour plus energy bars, every hour, plus an energy drink in his water bottles and so it's something I need to practice, eating more on the move. Yesterday, 30 minutes from the end I was out of strength.
When I got back to the car all I could do was prop myself up and then sit down. I could not speak for about 3 or 4 minutes.
Sorry - I don't know anyone called George. Who is he, Atlaz?
George Budd - gee on here.
You'll see him up the top in the results of the 2 hr 🙂
Yep.
And he did Mayhem solo on a gel and a bottle of energy drink a lap, plus one soup and a microwave spag bol IIRC, wasn't doing bars I don't think.
Just because that's what the chap who won Kielder was eating doesn't mean you should be eating it too, different people have different metabolisms etc.
Let's be honest, you're not going to win, you just need to concentrate on plodding on, and working out what food/supplements you need to do that.
I'm not being funny, but 4.5 hours is not a particularly long ride, if you were that much of a wreck after that, I'd be seriously worried.
How did the new steed fair njee?
You came past me once that I know of, and said "Hi" - or at least I think it was you (I was fixing a new inner tube by the far side of the reservoir) but since you did 3 laps, you must have passed me a 2nd time.
One by product of having a large flint slice open your tyre, spewing out the tubeless gunk, is that the first you use your back brake you realise your rear rotor is coated in slippery gunk, thus rendering your rear brake completely useless! It gave me quite a surprise!
Not sure that completing 5 laps and ending up 46 out of 59 in the vet's 4hr was technically last, but it's a matter of perspective I guess. I was the last of those who managed 5 laps, in the same way that Simon Lewington came last with his 7 laps (to those who'd ridden 7 laps but faster than him). I don't think he'd consider himself to be last somehow!
Aye that was me, by the lake, I realised it was you and give you a 'bad luck Tim'. Bike was surprisingly nice, much more comfortable than I'd expected.
Yes I've been a victim of the 'crap on the rotor affecting braking' before. I managed it with an errant gel.
Me, 32 minutes? I was closer to 1hr 32minutes
The general rule of thumb is that your body will only be able to process about 1gram of carbohydrate per 1kg of body mass per hour. So if you are 70kgs you can only process 70grams of carbs per hour. Anything in excess of this will be wasted and IME sits in your stomache and makes you feel decidedly ropey.
How you get your carbs is up to you but a combination of complex and simple carbs usually makes most sense. A gel has approximately (depending on brand) 30grams of carbs. So for a 70kg person they would be looking to make up the 40grams elsewhere. Energy drinks are usually the easiest way of doing so. Over 24hours however, I would use gels, bars, energy drinks and then whatever you feel like eating. At some point you will get sick of sweet foods and you'll be thankful then.
IME a strategy of just stuffing yourself with gels and energy drink is not a good one. Some consideration on how much you need (and can) consume will make things more tolerable.
Njee - got there before me 😉
The whole course open to the public then?
Yup. And a lot more besides, probably twice as much again in that area alone, actually. Maybe more. I live in Farnborough and I can ride from my house (3 road miles to the trails) and do a 20 mile loop, including some of those trails, that only touches roads to cross them: So 99.999% offroad then!
And you wonder why I avoid Swinley like that plague? 🙂
Aye, but you got the sciency bit in there!
When I did the 12 hour solo at 24/12, I did about 12 Torq gels, a tub of mini muffins, 2 tubes of Jaffa Cakes, a few Torq bars, a couple of Snickers, some jelly babies, a few bottles of High 5 and several caffeinated Zym tablets. I got it right in that I never had cramp, and posted my fastest laps towards the end of the race, I got it wrong in that I finished with loads of energy left and feeling I should've gone harder.
At the end of the day, it's going to be trial and error!
Peterpoddy +1 (other than the living in Farnborough bit, I'm in Fleeeeeet)
I appreciate this.
Yesterday was a mere 4hrs+, so it was always going to be ridden at a quicker pace than a 12 or 24hr ride.
We did Bonty Pairs in 2009, came 10th I think, plus pairs in the Set2Rise but I managed to feeding / energy / rest / effort balance quite effectively.
So for the event in May, for which I have 100+ days in which still to train, I am in a far better place this time this year than I was last year, so the Brass Monkey was no more than good training, seeing how the bike behaved, reminding myself about cramp (!) and feeding in particular. Plus I must sort out my front mech' as having no steep, granny-ring hills locally it's something I was unaware of.
I tried Elete water in High 5 yesterday for the first time. Whilst I wasn't trying particularly hard, I suspect I would've cramped without any supplement, I always used to cramp like clockwork while racing.
I'd recommend trying that, just add a few drops (literally) to whatever you drink, doesn't affect the taste, so you don't have to worry about a different taste.
The High5 or the Elete - which I'm not familiar with.
Cramp's a sod - plenty of people here report cramping up.
On Meridas, I chew salt sachets from McD's - seems to work, if a little difficult to manage!
+1 H4H contribution too.
Sorry, the Elete water.
You can add it to anything you want, from water to squash or your choice of energy drink (I find High 5 most palatable) to provide electrolytes.
[url= http://www.eletewater.co.uk/ ]Clicky[/url]
PP - Swinley is fine for a quick blast but I think the course yesterday, once I've got my bearings will be good for a bit more of a workout and longer rides (I'm not into sessioning so much). I noticed a lot of built trails cutting across the stuff we were riding that should be worth an explore.
On the subject of cramp, I'm going to take a bottle for whenever I race next as I have a can of powdered supplement for electrolyte replacement I used for one of those "standing around in a hot field for hours in summer" type sports.
Ta.
I'll try it; ordered it just now - they do like their web pages in the transaction don't they!
Quite a claim
Eliminates cramp . Enhances energy.
I'm wary of any 'isotonic' product that claims to provide electrolytes, as they just don't work for me. Tried High 5, Torq, Maxim and Power Bar, none have had any effect on cramp, Zym or Nuun effervescent tabs are good, but then you don't get any carbohydrates so need to up your intake of gels/bars, or this Elete water seems good.
The Elete stuff is good you can't taste it at all. High 5 source is nice but very sticky. By day 3 or the Tour of Wessex last year I could barely get my bottle out of the cage - stuck fast with High 5.
Speaking of getting fuelling wrong. I rode La Marmotte last year and in my infinite wisdom used High 5 Energy Source Extreme (i.e. with caffeine) and Torq Guarana gels. 8hrs 43 mins from the start I crossed the line having consumed 10 torq gels and 8 bottles of High 5. The problem was I was so pumped full of caffeine I couldn't think straight or sit still. It took me 30 mins to translate the fact that D'Or meant I'd got a gold standard time.
I think the trick with cafeine is to use it sparingly. The Torq gels are brilliant but only every couple of hours - not every gel.
Btw, for 12 and 24 hour races you should consider Hammer Nutrition HEED. Very light on the palate and easy to stomache. Just started to become available over here now - its a US product. Its going to be my drink of choice for Mayhem and 24:12.
Whilst I find High 5 very easy to drink, but couldn't comprehend drinking SIS, which is truly revolting IMO, so basically you just need to try lots of different drinks to see what you like!
Thanks.
I have the Zimm and now the one njee mentioned.
What I found at Bonty was the sweat 'n' sour chicken with rice from the canteen went down a treat!
Whislt my oppo' was puking up Smash (never again he swears!) I was feeling great at 3am. My 2x dogs liked the Smash however!
As you say, go easy on the caffine gels. The SIS ones are vile but are over and done with in 10 seconds.
Torq stuff generally seems very good.
Cheers for the advice from the front.
PS - have you used this stuff, which was being handed out at the Summer Polaris (7hrs on the Saturday, 5hrs on the Sunday over the Peaks)?
[url= http://www.cnpprofessional.co.uk/goals/endurance.html/ ]"CNP's Pro Energy Max Gel has been developed in conjunction with British Cycling and the Sky Pro Cycling Team and is used by their riders.
Pro Energy Max Gel can be used by cyclists of any level to give a boost during their ride."[/url]
Not seen it. There seens to plenty of new entrants to the energy foods market. Personally I am not sure about Pro Slam - wtf 😉
excellent course, only rode one complete lap though as i was cursed with punctures... i had 3, 1 in the front side wall which sealed but required several stops, then got double whammy on the rear 2 miles in on the second lap, again in the sidewall, not a snake bite though, so called it a day and walked back.
I deliberately did not walk through the finish line when i came back as i took a short cut or 2 but they must have spotted me and recorded my time for the 2nd lap hehe thanks 🙂 must have walked 2 miles atleast..
very frustrating though as i felt pretty good after 1st lap as i didnt go out to fast due to congestion on the course.
thanks to those that offered me a tube and a chat, and to thoose that told me to mtfu and get back on my bike lol
great course, really good day out riding!
6 laps, 7 energy gels, 3 mule bars and 2.5 bottles of electrolyte
thanks to Si and the army team !!
my dads pictures here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23318875@N02/collections/72157606984867287/