[Closed] So thats not the slightest bit provocative then, is it?

unbelievable

That's just beyond stupid. It's ignorant and intollerant on a grand scale.

As for the suggestion of 'equality' mentioned above...better idea, lets all forgo the public bonfires and just accept we're all different and do things differently and do our best just to get along...

The worse thing anyone can do is give the nutjob the oxygen of publicity. Which, unfortunately, is what he has been given.

Er... I think it's meant to be provocative...

It's some hick religeous nutter who's out to make a name for himself. Seems to be doing a pretty good job of it so far.

I think most most religious 'leaders' were bullied or lonely as kids and turned to an imaginary friend for help. Later in life it gives them a slight bit of power over weak-minded brethren and they usually end up abusing it.
Personally I'd ban the practice of any religion, after a couple of generations of cullings in order to stamp it out the world would be a much better place...

It is designed to be provocative. It's also completely legal, as it should be. What is sad is that if something nasty pops off in Kabul, the likely net result will be Afghans being killed by Afghans over the actions of some superstitious American bellend and their superstitious reaction to it.

The worse thing anyone can do is give the nutjob the oxygen of publicity.

after a couple of generations of cullings in order to stamp it out the world would be a much better place...

...and we'd have some brilliant buildings for climbing centres and Lazerquest.

Back to the OP. The man is clearly an arse. The preacher that is, not binners.

i'm an angry atheist, and even i think it's a monumentally stupid, irresponsible, and unfriendly thing to do.

We could have some sparklers too

At the risk of sounding like I'm supporting the guy (he's a fruitcake) it's the sort of thing the opposition have been doing for a long time.

And what we tacitly accept by allowing free speech.

one religious nutter burns another religious nutters book.

Burning flags, effigies, religious icons etc is an intrinsic part of the Islamic culture. As too, it would seem, is throwing ones shoes in protest.

When Christian westerners mimic this behaviour, it looks decidedly odd. But I'd fight to the death to defend my right to fling shoes, burn books, or whatever else might tickle my fancy if I too were to go a bit mental.

vinnyeh - Member
At the risk of sounding like I'm supporting the guy (he's a fruitcake) it's the sort of thing the opposition have been doing for a long time.

And what we tacitly accept by allowing free speech.

Good point......

Good point......

Not really. Why drop down to their level?

You never fail to disappoint shib defending the right of the mental to do mental things excellent idea. I wont rise to your troll but nicely done

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As the koran also includes the Old Testament..the word of god - which they believe in but are ignoring [ the eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth is in the OT but was revoked by Jesus in the New] they are burning their own book/reasoning as well.
Idiotic beyond words on so many levels.

it's the sort of thing the opposition have been doing for a long time.

Omg! What are they doing! Everyone will fall out' the world will be in turmoi......oh hang on........no change here folks, religious nutters doing their thing, carry on as normal

You never fail to disappoint shib defending the right of the mental to do mental things excellent idea. I wont rise to your troll but nicely done

Not really a troll, defending freedom of speech is hardly trolling.

Clearly he is following the Christian teachings of "turning the other cheek", "forgiveness", and... "what, you f%%king want some? C'mon then if you think you're hard enough. Crusades ya bas"

...and we'd have some brilliant buildings for climbing centres and Lazerquest.

Yeah but think of all the new Wetherspoons there would be.. 😯

He's defo a c0ck but with religious fanatics, you're dammed if you do & dammed if you don't

If you cannot beat them, join them : http://www.themonastery.org/?destination=ordination

I'll have you know I'm a peddlin' preacher of Zalgo.

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im gonna throw my old shoes at people and burn anything i find in the paper recycling bin.

i dont burn books, im not a complete tit.

Not really a troll, defending freedom of speech is hardly trolling

But I'd fight to the death to defend my right to fling shoes, burn books, or whatever else might tickle my fancy if I too were to go a bit mental.

konabunny - Member

It is designed to be provocative. It's also completely legal, as it should be... (cut)

[pedant]
They were saying on the radio last night that while it might be legal to burn books, it's against a Florida State ordinance to have a bonfire on open ground...

So, technically what they are doing would be illegal...
[/pedant]

:o)

strikes me that a lot or religous groups have no concept of how provocative they are being, they seam caught in there own hazy world and dont see the bigger picture of causing dispruption and hatred around the world,
there must be a law to stop this? as there is over here, but then again thats the usa for you!!

catnap - Member
strikes me that a lot or religous groups have no concept of how provocative they are being,
they seam caught in there own hazy world and dont see the bigger picture of causing dispruption and hatred around the world, there must be a law to stop this? as there is over here, but then again thats the usa for you!!

The punctuation, spelling, sweeping generalisations and wrongness of this post makes my head hurt. 😡

I'm not that keen on him having the oxygen of oxygen...

I like this joke, I will be nicking it later 🙂

Thought he was defending his right to go a bit mental, rather than freedom of speech for himself or others... after all it was what he said

Nope, I was defending [b]OUR[/b] right to express ourselves. I don't see myself chucking my shoes or burning books, however I value my right to do so should the whim take me, or indeed, if I go mental and decide it's a perfectly normal thing to do.

They were saying on the radio last night that while it might be legal to burn books, it's against a Florida State ordinance to have a bonfire on open ground...

So, technically what they are doing would be illegal...

Doubt it is, the 1st Amendment of the Constitution trumps a local by-law.

Next time you defend OUR right you may want to actually say ours rather than my and it will help prevent the confusion caused by you using a different word from the one you mean, an error you repeat in your reply 🙄

however I value [b]my[/b] right to do so should the whim take [b]me[/b], or indeed, if [b]I [/b]go mental and decide it's a perfectly normal thing to do.

But I'd fight to the death to defend [b]my [/b]right to fling shoes, burn books, or whatever else might tickle [b]my[/b] fancy if [b]I[/b] too were to go a bit mental.

strikes me that a lot or religous groups have no concept of how provocative they are being, they seam caught in there own hazy world and dont see the bigger picture of causing dispruption and hatred around the world,
there must be a law to stop this? as there is over here, but then again thats the usa for you!!

Like the Muslims who want to build mosque overlooking Ground Zero in New York!!

You'll find, if you dig deeper, that the Floridan Evangelists are responding to Muslim insensitivity.

Tolerance and the Koran are pretty incompatible.

Religion - yawn!

I'm amused by the fact that he is going to "pray about his decision".
That should get him an answer then..

Like the Muslims who want to build mosque overlooking Ground Zero in New York!!

Doesn't the constitution protect the right to follow a religion and to express that faith - or does that only apply to Christian religion?

Funny how many right-wing American commentators that usually bang on about constitutional rights have been so quick to dismiss them over this issue.

I thought it wasnt a mosque, and was some way from 'ground zero'

It isn't a mosque. And its nowhere near ground Zero. But don't let that get in the way of an ill-conceived reactionary rant on Fox News

Right - I'm off to burn my dinner to protest against Heinz. The bastards!!!

Junkyard - Member
How is anyone meant to think this means ours?

Because MY right, is also YOUR right, and the right of everyone else. Because whilst I feel that I probably should, I don't actually have any further rights over and above silly little thick people like you for example.

Ah, the 'Ground Zero Mosque' aka community centre with a prayer room being built in the hallowed ground of the Burlington Coat Factory 🙄

It isn't a mosque. And its nowhere near ground Zero.

Personally I think building a mosque on or adjacent to 'ground zero' would be a victory for tolerance. I'd like to think it would disarm 'radical' Islam and go some way to promoting peace and understanding.

I doubt burning the Koran is aimed at promoting peace and understanding.

being built in the hallowed ground of the Burlington Coat Factory

The hallowed ground full of prostitutes and sex shops I might add

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Show Coverage of the 'Ground Zero Mosque'[/url]

Shows just how stupid the anti mosque crowd are.

Religion has always puzzled me.

The way different people choose to interpret it in ways that quite clearly suits their own agendas, claim it is the one true way and then use that to justify all manner of blatently cruel and malevolent activities AND THEN how some use the principles freedom of choice and speech to support their right to do so and shrug and turn a blind eye/bury their heads in the sand.

What a load of arse.

i've just checked, and apparently Pastor Terry Jones has asked his boss, who replied, telling him to carry on.

so that's all right then.

what a git.

That Daily Show / Islamaphobia for Dummies link does a great job of tearing down the arguments on the "Ground Zero Mosque". Gotta love Jon Stewart: sometimes seems from the UK that the only objective and sane US news comes via a "comedy" show.

Thanks Lifer.

Like the Muslims who want to build mosque overlooking Ground Zero in New York!!

As the big man would say: 🙄

The Daily Show is great, some of the interviews are beyond belief!

Ooh! Can we burn copies of Richard Dawkins' books? Pleeeaasee??

Well, what with govt spending cuts and 'austerity measures', could help to provide more heat and energy for the poor and needy this winter. Yes, I'm all up for that. And Dawkins' books aren't religious books so it won't offend anyone. Brilliant! 😀

Provocative... I clicked on this thread expecting boobs, I feel cheated!

The Daily Mash's typical satirical take on the story [url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/us-church-to-commemorate-9%1111-by-causing-another-one-201009083071/ ]Clicky[/url]

"But seriously, no book fires or it's kaboom-time. You can take that to the bank and cash it."

Quality!!!! 😀

"binners - Member

It isn't a mosque. And its nowhere near ground Zero. But don't let that get in the way of an ill-conceived reactionary rant on Fox News"

The constitution protects my right to believe any random s**t I want and shout about it endlessly on the news.

You are Glenn Beck and I claim my £10!

The hypocrisy is astounding, I wonder how many of the protesters attended the many republican fundraisers in new York, some of which were hosted by Mayer Giuliani, that financed terror attacks in the uk for decades
War on terror my a**e

The craziest thing is when Faux News were banging on about the funding for the 'mosque'

I've been trying to find the video of The Daily Show's response but this is the best I can get:

[url] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/23/stewart-fox-prince-alwaleed_n_692234.html [/url]

[pedant]
They were saying on the radio last night that while it might be legal to burn books, it's against a Florida State ordinance to have a bonfire on open ground...

So, technically what they are doing would be illegal...
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Like the Muslims who want to build mosque overlooking Ground Zero in New York!!

It doesn't overlook Ground Zero. It's already being used as a mosque (well, Muslim prayer room - don't know what the technical difference is).

It isn't a mosque. And its nowhere near ground Zero.

Well, you know - it's a Muslim community centre with a prayer room in it (is it or isn't it a mosque? a bit technical) and it's 200m away from the WTC site which is, really, right by the site. I don't think there's any need to disguise what it is - there's nothing to apologise for.

The idea that this area is "Hallowed Ground" is complete nonsense - it's a complete dump of a neighbourhood that empties out by 6pm with shagged out buildings and really crap restaurants. NYer don't give a monkey's because they're used to having Muslims and mosques around, and the world hasn't ended it. It's shitkickers from Hicksville whose minds are asploding about it.

And a big hat-tip goes to Michael Bloomberg about this: OK, he essentially bought the mayoral elections with his vast personal fortune, but he has supported the constitutional rights of both the Mosque builders *and* the Koran burners. (He also has contributed vast amounts of personal money to education of poor kids in public schools in NYC and free meals in the summer. He's essentially a benevolent dictator).

I don't actually have any further rights over and above silly little thick people like you for example.

It's shitkickers from Hicksville whose minds are asploding about it.

[i]And Dawkins' books aren't religious books so it won't offend anyone. Brilliant! [/i]

Yes, cos non-religious people aren't stupid enough to get upset by someone burning someone else's book! (Dammit, I got involved!)

Well the vast majority of Muslims wouldn't be too worked up by what this nutcase is doing, really.

Problem is, that Islam was formed in a region which was very unstable, with many rival tribes and factions vying for power. Some verses of the Koran are a bit inflamatory, but I think most moderate contemporary Muslims overlook such passages, as do most Christians with the bit about homosexuals. There are many flaws within the Koran and indeed most other ancient religious texts, in the context of modern society, but most folk have accepted that certain bits can be sort of 'ignored' really. I do know that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide do not condone the killing of anyone,regardless of belief. Given time, I suspect some of the more contentious passages from the Koran will be left out, as have some of the jucier bits of the Bible, Torah, etc. The Islamic World isn't a single entity; there are myriad branches and interpretations of the doctrine.

Looked at in a more positive light, Islam, like other faiths, has helped to unite people who were previously opposed. It has helped build communities and even nations. Islamic scholars have contributed greatly to Global knowledge.

It's a pity a few nutcases get worked up over a few other nutcases. 🙁

Junkyard - Member
Dont little thick people like me have the right to point out that my and ours do not mean the same thing without abuse from an intelectual giant like yourself? I write this from my keyboard ...so presumably it is ours?

The problem with little thick people like yourself is that they're not bright enough to understand even the simplest of concepts, yet still think they're clever enough to catch people like me out.

Let me spell this out for you: I can refer, for example, to MY country as MY country, because it is MY country. I can also refer to it as YOUR country (assuming you come from the same country), and I can refer to it as OUR country. All three possessive adjectives would be correct, as the country is MINE, YOURS and OURS.

In the same way, the rights that we collectively enjoy can be referred to as MY rights, YOUR rights, and OUR rights. Again, the three possessive adjectives are all perfectly acceptable and correct given that we are bound by the same laws - both moral and legal - therefore, we enjoy the same rights.

Now run along and digest what I've taught you, there's a good little thick person.

Is pedantry vs condescension the new religion vs atheism?

The problem with little thick people like yourself is that they're not bright enough to understand even the simplest of concepts, yet still think they're clever enough to catch people like me out.

All three possessive adjectives would be correct, as the country is MINE, YOURS and OURS

It really depends doesn’t it? My country is not necessarily your country – a point you yourself noted ... Therefore my , yours and ours ARE NOT necessarily the same thing ...which is the point I made originally.
If you wished to talk about our rights why not just say ours rather than my and remove this confusion? It is an issue hardly worth this level of debate , insult or anger ?
I see little point continuing this and really you should be able to make your case without insulting me. Especially when you are as bright as you assert and I am as dim as you suggest.

Is pedantry vs condescension the new religion vs atheism?

Possibly, but by the standard of ill-informed nonsense I've seen thus far, I fear pendantry is in for some very dark ages.

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It really depends doesn’t it? My country is not necessarily your country – a point you yourself noted ... Therefore my , yours and ours ARE NOT necessarily the same thing ...which is the point I made originally.

Erm... Are you taking the piss? I was originally referring to RIGHTS, which are shared. Thus any of the 3 possessive adjectives were correct in that case.

You tried to trip me up and prove that I'd made a mistake. As I've quite clearly demonstrated, I didn't make a mistake, and my original post was neither wrong, nor ambiguous. The weak link in this whole situation is your intellect and your propensity to read what you THINK you're reading, rather than what is actually written.

I think you're also suffering from an eagerness to outsmart me. Unfortunately, you've merely highlighted your own short comings.

Now, as I said, run along...

I fear pendantry is in for some very dark ages.

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*pulls up chair, choc hob-nobs and cup of tea*

Mmmmmmmhobnobsmmmmmm
No sugar, little bit of milk' ta

I had a hob nob flapjack the other day, not right.

Pendantry... Doh! Really should proof read before posting... 😳

Cheddars for me, 2 packs for a quid at th'Asda at the moment...

Just had some cheddar cheese on dark choccy digestives. Strange, but nice.

The weak link in this whole situation is your intellect and your propensity to read what you THINK you're reading, rather than what is actually written.

Or maybe he read what was written, rather than what you meant...

Shib/Adam; do you speak in such a manner to people in real life, or do you normally have to be so polite to them, that being rude on here is somehow cathartic? I sense a lot of pent up rage in you.

Carry on though, as we do find it amusing. 😀

But I'd fight to the death to defend my right to fling shoes, burn books, or whatever else might tickle my fancy if I too were to go a bit mental

I think you're also suffering from an eagerness to outsmart me. Unfortunately, you've merely highlighted your own short comings

Or maybe he read what was written, rather than what you meant...

Fred, as I've quite clearly pointed out, as I was referring to RIGHTS - which are shared - there was no ambiguity. He did read what was written, but in his eagerness to pick fault in my posts, he tried to find an error where there wasn't one.

Perhaps you and Junkbrain could attend some adult literacy classes or something.

I dont really care about out smarting you. Perhaps you are brightest , perhaps I am, frankly who cares? It has little bearing on this point/argument no matter how many times you assert you are the brightest and that I am the dumbest.

So why try to pick fault in my post? First you accuse me of trolling, and then when someone challenged you, you decide to blame ambiguity in my post. You were wrong on both counts.

Bourbon anyone? - the biscuit not the drink?

No, no....go for the drink. I think alcohol can only improve this situation.

Perhaps you and Junkbrain could attend some adult literacy classes or something.

Ooh no that's a bit challenging for me. Maybe we could do Cake-Making for Beginners instead! How exciting!

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Junkbrain and elfin after Bourbon on the way to adult literacy clases

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Shibboleth dont change track now defend your quote as discussing rights and ours please. Should be easy for someone as bright as you surely?

I tell you you're shit at computers you Junkyard! You're meant to post the larger image, not the flippin' thumbnail! 😀

Which one am I? I can't be the podgy one, surely?

Shibboleth dont change track now defend your quote as discussing rights and ours please. Should be easy for someone as bright as you surely?

That sentence makes so little sense on so many levels. Ask your tutor to run through the use of that wonderful punctuation mark, the comma, and get him or her to clarify how many Rs there are in the word "tack". 🙄

Oh Shib you are awful...

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...but I don't like you!

...but I don't like you!

The day I crave the approval of people like you will be the day I throw in the towel. 🙄

Still not defending your quote as meaning ours or referring to rights then? track was a typo as I am sure you are aware.