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  • Speed wobble
  • yetivaud
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    So I have this new (to me) MTB frame and after building it up with bits from another bike, I have noticed it has the tendency to pull to one side at speed on tarmac, although it also noticeable to a much lesser extent off-road as well. At some point of the 'pulling to one side', it swings back the other way, so you end up going down the road slowly zig-zaging your way down. It really doesn't feel good! Any ideas? anybody? My guesses would be frame alignment, fork alignment and then trueness of wheels, seating of tyres on rims. Anything else? oh, and I'm using the recommended length of fork with the frame. Feeling really bummed out, because ve wanted one of the frame for a while and today was the first ride out on it……. climbs amazingly well…… but descending at speed is sh!ting me up big time.

    Macavity
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    Tony Foale and Vic Willoughby wrote a book about motorbike design that has probably the best insight into why a single track two-wheeled vehicle (bike) wobbles.

    Firstly as the handlebars/forks etc turn (wobble) from side to side the front end of the frame will rise and fall. This can be seen when stationary if kneeling at the side of the bike facing the bike (looking at the head tube top tube) and turning the bars slightly to-and-fro. You should be able to see that the headtube toptube fall slightly 3 or 4 millimetres when the bars are turned left or right and rise as the bars are returned to the centre/staightahead position. In a speedwobble this includes the rider and frame rocking up and down slightly, pivoting about the rear hub.

    That was the easy bit to explain. Now for the gyroscopic effect of the front wheel. Take a front wheel hold the ends of the axle in each hand between thumb and index finger now spin the wheel a quickly. Still holding the axle use forefinger of one hand grasp spokes and spin wheel….. easier to do than to describe. You now have a big gyroscope in your hands, try to tilt the wheel to one side the wheel tries to counteract this movement. The gyroscopic effect.

    Does this seem complicated? That is because it is.

    You have now observed two of the components of the speedwobble. Firstly if the handlebars start to turn away from straight-ahead position then the weight of the rider will act to push down on the frame (standing up or sitting down has no effect on gravity). Secondly the inherent stability (ironically it is the stability of the bike that causes the wobble) of the bike created at speed by the two wheels spinning as gyroscopes create a restorative force that brings the front wheel back to the straightahead position. Unfortunately this restorative force is so great (too much) that it overshoots (over compensates) and takes the handle bars too far to the opposite side. This cyclical (almost pendulum) effect then increases in intensity to produce the speedwobble.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmtoOmq3ppw

    There are steering dampers available for motorbikes.

    fisha
    Free Member

    how smooth are the headset bearings? is there any stickyness / or notchiness to them. I've had a headset which seemed to get a notch in the straight ahead position to the point it would snap back into place rather than be completely smooth moving.

    disc brakes? any dragging? if so, the drag will pull one leg harder than the other and possibly start the movement to the side and kick off the wobble.

    as you say though, do go through all the tyre seating, fork alignments etc etc as well.

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