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Well i only am forced to go shopping once per week, and tonight the car park was like a sheet of ice, and its on a slope, despite being a multinational supermarket chain employing lots of people, they [b]FAILED[/b] to employ the one who orders rock salt and another to push a little trolley round to keep some footways clear of ice, there where old people tonight really struggling to walk, pushing the small trolleys just to stay upright.
Oh and for the record we only had a slight sprinkling of snow, not inches.
Finally they only had baby sized plastic bags, big enough for 1 loaf, and a manager was overheard saying to an angry customer, its a national problem, not my fault, so thats 3 people they havent advertised job vacancies for.
Now it not difficult to order road salt, and its not difficult to push a trolley of rock salt round, you could even be given a shovel as a sign of promotionn and a reflective bib.
Rantette over.
a multinational supermarket chain employing lots of people
UR SHPPNG IZ AZDA.
Waitrose was fine this evening on the way home. Even had a sample of some rather nice rum on hand, jolly warming.
its tesco isnt it? I was in today and they didnt have normal sized bags?
another supermarket rant? FFS stop going there. They deliver if you ask them you know.
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do home shopping then.
local asda has ordered in contractors to spread salt this year. unfortunately they did this 2 weeks ago when the weather was ok. doh!
Yes it was Tesco, got home and there was an ASDA van delivering to the neighbours, the shame of it.
Tesco just rang... they're really really apologetic, your rant has really screwed their profits this quarter.
I can see tesco of of my window about 200metres away and we get it delivered, pay someone to pick and deliver to my door fantastic!
You would think they'd have loads of salt on the shelves
Mind you you'll get no sympathy from me for the bags, get a bag for life!
IIRC , fron H&S meetings , if you salt / grit some parts of your commercial / retail premises and someone slips or falls on a non treated area , youre in deep poo . if you dont salt/grit anywhere and they fall or slip over your okay 😯
From next year the Welshies are putting a tax on plastic carrier bags of about 7 to 11p each, then the fun starts.
Icy carparks = landy drifting.
Bring them on.
I asked in my local Tesco about this and they said if they salted and someone crashed or fell they were liable and if they left it as it was they weren't
I like a good supermarket thread. More of this please! (rubs thighs)
An owner of a big garden centre once told me he doesn't salt his large car park because he was told by a health and safety officer that if he salted his car park once he had to do it every day that it fell below freezing. If he didn't do it one day or he ran out of salt and someone fell over they could sue him for not salting his car park.
Even if they fell over at one end of the car park while salting the other end they could get sued.
So no salting at all equals no sueing.
As a H&S professional....some of the replies above are pretty surprising and disappointing at the same time!
CheesybeanZ - MemberIIRC , fron H&S meetings , if you salt / grit some parts of your commercial / retail premises and someone slips or falls on a non treated area , youre in deep poo . if you dont salt/grit anywhere and they fall or slip over your okay
I am sure this is a myth
I would like to make it clear that nobody who volunteers to support their community by clearing pavements during icy conditions should feel they are in danger of being sued under health and safety legislation.Your reader is wrong to say that the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) believes "that it is safer to have icy pavements than cleared ones". We think it is ridiculous that people should feel prevented from helping others, through a fear of being held responsible for an accident. I personally would love to see more people out there shovelling snow away and really appreciated the efforts of all my neighbours and local shopkeepers who did so.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/record/bmail210110.htm
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_191868
Yep as TJ says it's bollocks. Complete urban myth.
There was a bloke explaining as much on Radio 4 the other day, as they seem to do every year. Yet the myth survives because everyone loves a good "elinsafety gone mad" story.
I reckon you're much more likely to be sued for not gritting, as you have a duty of care to people on your land and you've observed a hazard and done **** all about it.
Futureboy77 [b] a H&S professional- Member [/b]
....some of the replies above are pretty surprising and disappointing at the same time!Posted 11 minutes ago # Report-Post
So whats the score then.
grit or not,
Think of the peanuts
It's winter...it gets icy
MUFFS
I thought we got an elfinsafety gone mad thread very 2-3 months
unless he's been banned again... 🙂
It's winter...it gets icyMUFFS
+1
just a thought, if you don't grit and someone falls over, are you negligent for not doing something.
What if you put salt down and the the surface temperature falls below -7celsius which is the freezing point of salt water.
Salt water ice is even more slippery than water ice, so you've made things worse by salting.
What if it's a dry night but very cold, with bone dry roads and pavements and tons of grip, but you put some salt down "just in case". The salt is hydrophilic and will tend to attract the water vapour out of the air onto it, it falls below -7...bang..ice everywhere. If you hadn't salted roads would be bone dry, no frost or ice, just very grippy.
Position now resolved m'lud..... 😆
Someone who lives next to my son's school clears his entire drive meticulously and puts all the snow on to the pavement outside his house on either side of the gateposts making it very difficult for children and parents (particularly the mums who also has a little one in a pushchair) to walk to the school without having to step into the very busy road to walk around the big snow heaps. Very inconsiderate in my opinion. (never ranted before and I know it is a very feable first attempt)