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the NAZI thread.
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oh, this is for the littlehobo. he's a secret nazi, just like grizzlygus.
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*yawn*
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ver are your papers?
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On the subject of Al Murray's gay Nazi character - is there anyone who finds it remotely funny, or even knows why it's supposed to be funny?
I mean, I get that he's a Nazi, and I get that he's gay because he wears pink and acts camp. Is that comedy?
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To be fair the above can be applied to the whole Al Murray show. Shockingly bad.
But yeah, the Nazi character is particularly off.
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On the subject of Al Murray's gay Nazi character - is there anyone who finds it remotely funny, or even knows why it's supposed to be funny?
I mean, I get that he's a Nazi, and I get that he's gay because he wears pink and acts camp. Is that comedy?
If you laugh it's funny if not then no not funny, humour is personal sometimes very.
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It's the only part of the show I've seen. I've caught it flicking through channels a few times and I've been left scratching my head.
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I am not a secret Nazi. I just find the subject quite interesting. If anyone wants to read some rather disturbing conversations, search You Tube for Nazi Germany. Regardless of the content of the videos, have a look at the resulting conversations. The amount of sheer bile coming out is unbelievable FROM both sides of the argument.
Anyone with any interesting links i can use i would appreciate.
See you can mention Nazi germany without having to be a racist, ignorant prick.
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That looks more like Charlie Chaplin in drag
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I guess mass slaughter, genocide and incredible inhuman acts carried out by a supposed modern progressive society kind of limits the range of views available for discussion, apart from trains running on time (sic)
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So you wouldnt be interested in how that modern progressive society (I dont know where you got that idea of post WWI germany) managed to allow mass slaughter, genocide and incredible inhuman acts then?
You wouldnt be interested in any parrallels that can be drawn from todays economic environment and how the German peoples poverty caused them to consider things they wouldnt normally have tollerated.
I have little knowledge of it but there is nothing wrong with wanting to know more. By understanding and having knowledge we can ensure it never happens again. I only recently realised that there are people who deny the Holocaust and call it the Holohoax, invented by the Jews to use it as some kind of bargaining tool against the rest of the world. I mean WTF!!
So from my perspective, i dont see any wrong in discussing it. Or maybe i should just go along with the 'I think i am a lesbian' threads and wait to be called Littlest Homo
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You miss my point, I find it hard to grasp how a modern society with mass communication can debase itself.
And yes the Treaty of Versailles did create a vacuum for the rise of Nazism.
But it doesn't get away from the horror and shear depravity, perhaps we see these kind of acts belonging to another time or place (yes both wrong I know) but where "intelligent " people come from, it is an even darker place to look into.
If it can happen in "modern Europe" than no one is safe from fanaticism and the depths of where humanity can end up.
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Sorry, what do you mean by debase? Surely if mass communication can be used as a method of avoiding, it can also be used as a method for promoting.
Yes the treaty dragged Germany into the gutter. When people are desperate they are more open to suggestion which Hitler capitalised upon. So was it the rest of the world who forced Hitler on Germany or Germany who forced Hitler on the rest of the world?
Are we not looking at horror and shear depravity on the news on a regular basis these days. Maybe not on the same scale but in todays society are they not even worse crimes?
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at Jamies cat pic - quality ! 
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MrsJulianA and I too are very interested in the Nazi story, and we don't considers ourselves to be Nazis.
We have been to quite a few Nazi wartime installations and WWII cemeteries both in this country and on the continent. The American cemetery at Colleville-sur-Mer was horrendously crowded and had an air of glorification of the Americans (said glorification we have not found in any CWGC or German cemeteries) which we found rather disturbing. We then went to a German cemetery which was very peaceful and serene. As are the German cemetery at Maleme and the Allied cemetery at Souda Bay in western Crete.
Links?
On Hitler's Mountain - a fascinating book about how she grew up in the shadow of Nazism and how she and her family were affected by the situation.
Defying Hitler - MrsJA recomends this one.
The German Trauma - another MrsJA recommendation on my reading list.
Google for 'La Coupole', 'Eperlecques Blockhaus', 'v3 mimoyecques' (been to all three and they're fascinating), 'project dora nordhausen' and, of course, Auschwitz, Mauthausen and any other concentration camps you can think of, plus Fort Breendonk (Belgium's only concentration camp - been there: stopped taking photos when we got to the torture chamber as I just couldn't photograph it).
An absolutely (to us) fascinating subject which in no way indicates Nazi sympathies. It's only by people being concerned about the subject that we might (and I only say might) avoid a repetition of these ghastly events.
And then there's the Armenian genocide of 1915 perpetrated by Turkey: few people seem to know about that one, and even the Israelis have denied it, and one would have thought that they would be the first to stand up for others. They don't, because they want to stay in with Turkey.
Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
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Thanks JulianA. Gonna check that out now
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Let us know what you make of it...
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On Hitlers Mountain ordered
Thanks
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I think you're right, it's all too easy to just think 'it won't happen again' , 'I wouldn't go along with it' etc, but to be honest I think, as in Germany in the 30's it could happen again and a lot of people would go along with it. Reading about the Nazis, learning from the Holocaust, trying to understand how it happened can only help you spot the signs and avoid getting caught up in it if it were ever to happen again.
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Really hope you find it interesting. We did.
If you want some more stuff, email us at vdub1992 at hotmail dot com
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yeah, sorry mate. nothing personal and i certainly wasn't thinking that you, or anyone else here, were closet nazis.
i'm in frigging germany for christ sake! in the very town where the nazis first gained power and is the birthplace/hometown of Prince Albert, victoria's husband.
it's a real difficult subject to breach here.
one of the GF's friends asked why we brits talk about the war so much. i told her that apart from the pain and suffering germany was responsible for, we won!
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Another book I found very interesting was 'I Flew For The Fuhrer' by Heinz Knocke. A Luftwaffe (so professional service person) pilot who was (at one point) branded a 'traitor' by the Third Reich as he didn't want to fly when coerced so to do (if I recall correctly) an ME109 with a broken main spar...
By no means all service people who served were ideologists: in fact, ideologists may have been in the minority: they were forced to be there either by conscription or by (in the case of Nazi Germany), threats to their family (which becomes apparent in the Irmgard Hunt book, and probably may others which I have yet to read: my reading list is about four feet high - and that's just books in a pile on their backs!).
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i'm in frigging germany for christ sake! in the very town where the nazis first gained power and is the birthplace/hometown of Prince Albert, victoria's husband.
it's a real difficult subject to breach here.
Interesting that you find that to be the case: we had a guided tour around Munich from a German guy, and he pointed out bullet holes in walls etc (around the Felherrenhalle area). Whan I said 'I'm surprised but pleased that you talk about these things' he said words to the effect of 'if we don't learn the lessons of history we'll repeat them'! ('We' not meaning the Germans particularly, I didn't think).
He is from Welden, a fairly small market town in Bavaria, and the people from Welden couldn't have been more welcoming (the only people I was ashamed of were some 'fellow' Brits who didn't want to stay with local families when invited so to do - we stayed with a family and had a great time!)
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Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
Of course this quote is truly a two edged sword.
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There's far too many words in this thread.
I'm not reading all that, can i have break down in pics please?
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Just look at the pictures sharki. Thats what most people do here.
Been reading this site tonight and its been really interesting http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/nazioccupation/index.html
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Why does everyone pick on the Nazi's for their hideous murdering ways - go and have a go at the Japanese, they for my money were worse yet no one ever mentions the Rape of Nanking and other such modern day massacres, i for one am never buying another Casio.
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why look as far as the japanese
Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler killed jews
and he was on our side!!
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trailmoggy - That could answered by the often repeated "The only thing the Germans did wrong in WW2 was lose". Whilst it's obviously over simplified, it does ram the fact that the victor writes history down your throat. If things had gone differently, I'm sure the events of the holocaust would be largely forgotten and Stalin (and possibly Churchill) reviled down the ages as a mass murder. Which he is anyway, but wasn't for some time.
JulianA - Daniel Goldhagen wrote a book called Hitler's Willing Executioners which suggests that Germany was "primed" for the events of the 30s and 40s which was why the Nazi party were able to do what they did. Whether you agree with the central hypothesis (many don't) is one thing but it's an interesting concept (the book is over long and labours the point a lot) and has apparently reinvigorated study of the period in Germany.
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You don't even need to look that far - if you're interested in the history of the concentration camp then read up on the behaviour of the UK in the second Boer war (circa 1900 I think)...
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Whilst the term 'Concentration Camp' is generally atributed to the British camps during the Second Boer War the concept behind the camps wasn't a new one at the time. Indeed both the Union and Confederates used such camps during the American Civil War and their use even pre-dates that conflict by hundreds of years. As for Nazis, some have said it already and I fully agree, learn the lessons of the past to prevent the failures of the future.
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my point is how much better or stable was the world after the fall of nazi germany with mass uprising of communism
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