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See more and more people doing 4 mph on their full sus MTB's, shin guards et al. Look like Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Are they going camping or what with all that stuff? Just no need at all for all that luggage and kit.
Its not as though are riding hardcare "shredding the rad" like Lopes/Peaty etc.
Ive done 6 hr + MTB rides without the need to have a 25 litre+ bag on my back.
I blame all these magazines and websites they look at. These are people living(dreaming)the extreme life style thinging.
[b]They are defo missing the point of MTB'ing.[/b]
What is the world of MTB coming too, sad really, people being drawn in to a "lifestyle" and all this shit they dont need. 🙁
💡 maybe they're bivvying 💡
the point is that it's their leisure time and they are enjoying what they do
I hate big backpacks and loads of kit too but am glad others carry them as it at least gives me a chance keeping up on group rides.
They are defo missing the point of MTB'ing.
No, they are missing YOUR point, similarly YOU've completely mised THEIR's.
I've seen guys on 6" travel bikes at Swinely and wondered whats the point, shortly before following them and craping myself as they sail off a 10ft drop without batting an eyelid, just because you ride hyper-jeycore-xxC doesnt mean they do.
I think its really funny, there were loads of them at Sleepless in the Saddle this year... great big pack, full of stuff and all for a 7.5mile lap!!! Madness... 🙄
Base Jumping drop offs.
It’s the brave new world of “skills compensators” and the purchasing of techno shite you don’t actually need. The good guys ride well on hard tails and carry the minimum kit required. The really good guys ride SS …………
So where do you carry YOUR picnic then? 🙂
They [s]are defo missing the point of MTB'ing[/s] appear to be quite happy enjoying themselves in their own way.
I like seeing newbies on bikes - reminds me of being a kid again.
Let them get on with it and learn by their own mistakes.
If we keep telling people what to do, they'll just bugger off and find another hobby.
Were getting as bad as roadies with all these self imposed rules and regulations.
Ignore them all, have fun and be yourself.
What does it matter to you if someone chooses to break your narrow minded self imposed conformity?
kingkongsfinger, pull yourself out of your arse and just let them be
I have a big 'camelback' for carrying my DSLR, I have a 6" travel bike as I like full sus as it's what I like to ride for what and where I ride.
I laugh at some of thise wearing shin guards and body armour on gentle routes but if they're enjoting themselvse then that's the point of MTBing.
Carry what you need, however you need to carry it. I always tend to carry my Camelbak with the required tools/spares/food and normally a bit extra to help others out with, took my younger brother to CwnCarn yesterday who is fairly new to the 'sport' and he was impressed with how much kit I could fit into a small bag, (lobo) some of which I'll use regularly (tubes/patches/multitool) and other have yet to use but are there just in case (space blanket for example), ride with what you feel comfortable with after all isn't it all about individual choice?
i have a mate who brings loads of stuff, 14L pack for 24:12 and road rides!!
i take the piss something rotten, but if that's what he thinks is necessary and it keeps him happy it's no problem to me.
@kkf how does this effect you? are these people having fun? are you?
i always ride with a bag , i ride 99% on my own and like to think i can get myself out of trouble if anything goes wrong! tools, tube, jacket, camera, food and water where else am i gonna put it?
They are defo missing the point of MTB'ing.
so what is the point of riding a bike?
tools, tube, jacket, camera, food and water where else am i gonna put it?
On the bike and in pockets.
Well put RustySpanner, doesn't stop me having a quiet giggle and in any case, politely overtaking and leaving the over-kitted types in my dust on a minimalist rigid SS or weight weeny XC bike is one of my favourite pass-times, wouldnt want that pleasure taken away from me... its even better when they think they have a go and try to chase me. 😆 Just dont chase them over jumps!
On the bike and in pockets.
A bag would be a better option. As small as you can get away with.
My first camelbak was too big.
My second camelbak was too small.
My third camelbak was just right.
Then a bear came and ate it.
The thing is, different people have different needs, and different experience. When I was starting out MTBing I didn't know too much about what I really needed so I bought a camelbak in a sale. It's too big for 90% of my riding but useful for trips where I need a change of clothes/shoes at the end (riding to work, visiting people to stay over etc). Then I bought a camelbak rocket, which is too small for most things but ideal for 1-2 hours or laps of a race course (as my full-sus can't take a bottle cage very well). Then I got a MULE - which is perfect for most things.
JB + stumpynya12 are correct.
kimbers, I will pull my foot out of your arse if your not careful. 😆
Great if "they" are enjoying the ride, better than being a couch potato by a factor of infinite - 1.
Im always polite to these type of riders and never (well not often, unless they really deserve it)take the p1ss.
I was new to MTB'ing 24 years ago and wondered why I was so cold and legs chaffed to bugger when I had done a 3 hour MTB ride while it was p155ing down with long "snow wash" jeans on, kicker boots and a Kappa kagool.(it was fashionable then, honest)
So I can see where they are coming from, but F00K ME, theirs alot of common sense mising from these riders,you dont need full face helmest, body armour and big rucksack for the rides that they do, they dont even go downhill fast.
Bet the online stores and LBS p1ss thereself at some off the purchases they make.
You just dont need all that kit, in fact all you really need is a mobile phone and a good friend to rely on.
Have to say I thought it was a poor troll but take-up is high!
Modern consumerism, that is all. Mostly waste.
Observe McKitts first law of outdoors equipment packing:
"The amount of gear required for any given venture expands in volume to slightly exceed the capacity of the selected rucksack/pannier etc."
also stated as
"You won't be able to resist the urge to fill it".
Personally I wish mountain biking was still a few thousand committed individuals obtaining their kit from an industry in it's infancy, but that isn't going to happen again.
Whilst I agree with the above comments about free choice and mountain biking being about 'breaking from the norm' and 'following your own path' etc. The sad irony that I see more and more is that mountain biking seems to be developing it's own set of rules based around fashion and the marketing techniques of various bike companies, coupled with the portrayal of mountain biking in various cycling magazines. In much the same way that my little sister once earnestly explained to me that she dressed like a goth because she was 'an individual...just like everybody else'.
So from that perspective, I think that kingkongsfinger has a point.
...actually when I come to think of it I think that all that's applicable to cycling in general...
PS: I'm just as much a victim for it all as the next man so I hope I'm not coming across as sanctimonious...shiny kit syndrome is a real killer!
A bag would be a better option. As small as you can get away with.
In what way would it be better?
By pockets, I mean jersey back pockets Normally just contain a montane featherlight and whatever food I'm having. No weight on my back and much better temperature regulation with a clear back.
Bottle on the bike, multitool and tube taped to the seatpost (or saddleback). Pump mounted by bottle cage.
Big rides I will take a bag mind.
Modern consumerism, that is all. Mostly waste.
Surely wasteful consumerism would be owning 5 different camelbaks all of slightly different sizes to make sure you had exactly the right sized bag for any length of ride...
*get sucked in*
I often use a 15L bag as it's what I keep all my bike stuff in, and it's as light and comfortable as something small.
In any event, I don't think it slows me down, and even if it did, I'm not bothered about maximum performance on a pootle with mates.
i have one 'riding bag' i use it when i go riding.
i carry things in it; pump/ 2 tubes/ chain tool/ spare links/ allen key tool/ 1 spare mech hanger/ 1 shoelace/ some change.
they all live in my bag all the time, i don't see any sense in having a selection of smaller/bigger bags, and performing a risk-assesment before each ride of the likelyhood of using each item.
I dont like wearing a bag - got a 1.5ltr camelbak but eve the thsi annoys me - must get one for when out without my other bag - hubby - and for winter.
Personaly, I like to be prepared when I pop out quickly to the off-licence on my bike.... 😉
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I've got a big camelbak, to carry a DSLR, if it's not in it, then I still use the same one.... it's just emptier.
I also ride a 6 inch travel bike in Surrey... 😮
slugwash - Member
Personaly, I like to be prepared when I pop out quickly to the off-licence on my bike....
are you a jailer?
I ride with a big rucksack. Went bivvying across the Alps last summer, needed to fit loads of stuff in. I can only afford one bag. I guess I don't really get this whole mountain biking thing after all
slugwash - you clearly haven't packed enough keys......
Those who take the pish out of going prepared, often wonder why no bugger helps them when they're cold & wet & had another mechanical that they cannot fix because they've avoided [i]being drawn in to a "lifestyle" and all this shit they dont need. [/i]
You cannot PURCHASE ability, no matter how much you spend. You can however learn the basic principles and then develope your skills and fitness levels. STOP buying the latest crap produced and just ride what you have well.
Where's SFB with his photo of the contents of his Camelbak when you need him?
You cannot PURCHASE ability, no matter how much you spend. You can however learn the basic principles and then develope your skills and fitness levels. STOP buying the latest crap produced and just ride what you have well.
No you can't purchase ability, but you can purchase:
- a bag big enough to carry a coat, tools, lunch, camera, and 3L of water.
- a bike that'll let you ride 6ft drop offs repeatedly at speed without snapping...
- gears / a lighter bike / rear suspension to let you ride faster and up/down steeper gnarlier stuff
I guarantee no one has a bigger Camelbak than SFB, personaly I like to carry the minimum possible but then I'm a waif anyhow so don't like too much extra weight.
Camelbak Lobo is just big enough for most of my rides.
all you really need is a mobile phone
personally i rarely choose to pick a whole in what is obviously a well thought out and rational point of view by picking on a small chink of nonsense ... but go on I will
Bored Jase ?
You can **** off If you think I'll ever give you any butties out of my back pack.
Or
-a small bag with the correct kit thats actually required
-a good quality rigid SS that whilst struggling with 6ft drop offs will do everything else expected of it in all conditions and not break down.
-a large cake to eat whilst waitng for the techno freak brigade at the top of all the climbs.
But heh as long as we are all cyclists what does it really matter.....
IA - Member
tools, tube, jacket, camera, food and water where else am i gonna put it?
On the bike and in pockets.
you must have ****ing big pockets! 🙄
i still don't know the point of mtbing? ❓
i know this OP must be trolling.. but its fun to join in 😀
See more and more people doing 4 mph on their full sus MTB's, shin guards et al. Look like Mutant Ninja Turtles.Are they going camping or what with all that stuff? Just no need at all for all that luggage and kit.
Its not as though are riding hardcare "shredding the rad" like Lopes/Peaty etc.
Ive done 6 hr + MTB rides without the need to have a 25 litre+ bag on my back.
they [b]are[/b] riding hardcore, they're riding to the bits you dont know about and can't handle... especially being a XC-mincer who is riding slow enough and gentle enough to ride for 6hrs + with no fluids, or never riding hard enough to need spares or food 😆
Water is what governs whether I take a bag or not
I can only get a 500ml bottle on my bike so if the ride is any more than an hour, I'll take a Camelbak
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Time for a little bit of cross pollination I think. I don't like using a back pack but like to be prepared. for short rides I use a small tailpack which takes tube, multi tool, patches, energy bars and zip ties.
For a longer ride (here's the different bit) I use a Carradice bag which straps to the saddle and is big enough for all the above plus a waterproof jacket, sandwiches, camera etc. It has a mesh on the side bit enough for a second waterbottle (a litre one sits in the bottle cage with pump attached). The Carradice is 5 litre capacity so big enough for most trips but if necessary there is a 15 litre bag as well but I've never used that on a mountain bike.
Amazing the useful bits of kit we tourers have tucked away 🙂
Or
-a small bag with the correct kit thats actually required
Define 'required'. Depends what you're doing...
-a good quality rigid SS that whilst struggling with 6ft drop offs will do everything else expected of it in all conditions and not break down.
If you mean 'do' in the sense of 'will mince slowly' over anything remotely fun... 😀
-a large cake to eat whilst waitng for the techno freak brigade at the top of all the climbs.
Personally I take great delight in going uphill faster than rigid 24lb single speeders on a 36lb free ride sled... happens more often than it doesn't... we're not all unfit!
But heh as long as we are all cyclists what does it really matter.....
Indeed 🙂 Live and let live!
There are no bottle / pump rack mounts on the Orange, so its Lobo for short rides 1 litre reservoir, Mule for longer rides, 3 litre res. Multitool, shock pump, tyre pump, 1 tube, 1 puncture kit, 2 sets of tyre levers, set of quick links for chain snaps.Longer rides a chain comes along. Energy bar and gel stays in the pack all the time weather i need it on that ride or not. Sometimes a bottle of lucosade sport gets thrown in.
On long rides my butty box goes in the mule.
Then in go waterproofs.
So do i need the big pack? i'd say so.
Conversly the On one has bottle and pump mounts, and a saddle pack with 1 or 2 spare tubes in. On longer trail centre rides the mule or lobo will come along dependant on projected water needs.
Sometimes on hardpack bridleways and tow paths its just the litre bottle in the rack, pump on the bike, a tube in the seat pack and a butty stuffed in. No lid. No pads. No armour. Shorts and tee shirt.
Ferking big grin.
you must have **** big pockets!
I am 6'4", there's plenty space in them. As I said, only generally a 120g waterproof in one pocket. Sometimes a phone in one too, and some food. I take a bag when I want my SLR to be fair.
who gives a sh!t what they are carrying, each to their own. im normally doing 40-50 milers, where am i meant to put my water,tools,tube,food,jacket etc...get a life and get riding..
In what way would it be better?
By pockets, I mean jersey back pockets Normally just contain a montane featherlight and whatever food I'm having. No weight on my back and much better temperature regulation with a clear back.
Bottle on the bike, multitool and tube taped to the seatpost (or saddleback). Pump mounted by bottle cage.
Big rides I will take a bag mind.
You forgot the camera.
Any ride long enough to need food is long enough for a camelback.
A short blast on the race bike then a bottle in the cage and a tube in the pocket is fine. Not an option on the fs as it wont take a cage. Horses for courses.
I find it quite amazing what people carry for a short local spin but its up tto them
Me? I like to keep the weight down and on the bike
Bottle and pump on the frame, tube, multitool and sram links and patches in a small seat pack. food / waterproofs ( if needed - I rarely carry them) in pockets.
I can't imagine doing any ride without at least 1.5l water, tube, tools, pump, mobile, hat - Camelbak Mule.
On a long ride would [u]always[/u] take 3l water, an extra tube and puncture repair outfit, small first aid kit, food, extra layer, camera in addition to the above (doesn't everyone?)- Osprey Talon 22
Wearing a pack has also saved my back on a few pileups
I know it's feeding the troll, but anyway....
They are defo missing the point of MTB'ing.
Why is having a camelback, etc. missing the point of MTBing?
The whole point of MTBing is self-sufficiency and being prepared.
So, I like to carry a pump, a couple of spare tubes, some tyre levers, a phone, maybe a map, a banana, and 2 litres of water, my keys, and a multi-tool - where else am I going to carry it?
I was 'drawn into the lifestyle' as you put it 23 years ago, and the reason I enjoy it is because I am prepared and don't need to flag down passing cyclists when in need of an allen key/pump/inner tube/chocolate/phone - all things I have been asked for by terminally underprepared people in the past year.
key/pump/inner tube/chocolate/phone - all things I have been asked for by terminally underprepared people in the past year.
3 times in the last 2 months i've saved someone else' ride by the spares i carry in my kit.
I was asked if i had a tube or puncture outfit yesterday at Lee Quarry, but the guy gave up and pushed down to meet a lift home after seing how badly snakebit his rear tube was.
IA - you have properly turned into an XC jeyer haven't you? I remember the days on the RSP, flat pedals, casual clothes "never going to clip in", "never going to have lycra" to this "tube taped to seatpost" "put it all in pockets" racer boy stylee 😛
This is the MTB Bike I ride (on any off road scenario, be it the Transalp Challenge/local MTB race/Trail centre or a potter round the local trails) Santa Cruz Blur, 100 mm rear travel, front SID's 100 mm ish travel.(SID's have lockout incase of a sprint finish to the line)
Flat carbon bars slammed down on the headtube, no spacers. No ghey bar ends either. Stans ZTR tubeless, rest is XT. XTR is a waste of money for the weight saving and only for PRO's or people sucked into the "lifestyle".
This is what equipment i take on all rides, spare tube (with a square piece of tyre sidewall taped to it) This tube is taped to the underside of my 100 mm carbon stem (Bonti xxx no degree rise).
Under my Flite transalp titanium (height difference from saddle to stem, frickin major)is a small bag (size of a typical singletrack brain, large orange)containing 2 CO2 cartridges and valve adapter, cable ties,2 tyre levers and chain spliter)
In my jersey pocket, mobile phone and smack gel (for emergencies).
Dependant on duration of ride (always non stopping, warp factor 8,no dabbing on tech bits and downhill like Mammouth Mountain)
I take one bidon or two mounted on carbon cages, one in my rear jersey pocket if ride is expected to be longer than 4 hrs.
What does annoy me somewhat is that especially on our Thursday night rides, many of the others have no kit at all, knowing that they can use my toolkit/tyre levers and "borrow" an inner tube
ajantom - Member
The whole point of MTBing is self-sufficiency and being prepared.
no, it's 'pratting about on bikes'.
and it's lots of fun.
Can anyone explain why 3 l of water is needed for a ride of a few hours?
I can carry everything I have ever needed in decades of bike riding on the bike.
What more than a multitool, tube, pump, patches, sram links, m6 and M5 nut and bolt?
One bottle for normal rides, two for long hot rides when no water is available.
The whole point of MTBing is self-sufficiency and being prepared.
Err, what?
Can anyone explain why 3 l of water is needed for a ride of a few hours?
Can someone explain why anyone gives a **** about this ?
TandemJeremy - MemberCan anyone explain why 3 l of water is needed for a ride of a few hours?
it isn't, my bag happens to have a 3litre bladder, but that's just the one it came with, and it means that it's nice and flat when it's only got 1litre innit.
my bikes live in the cellar, my bag and all it's bits live on a hook under the stairs, that way i can pick up all my bits in one go, irrespective of which bike i'm taking out. (bluepig, prayer, inbred, bmx, road)
i don't see the need to buy 5 chaintools, and leave them all taped to my different bikes.
TJ i'll burn 6-9 litres on an 10 hour ride. some folks i ride with will barely finish a 2l bladder - its just about [s]how pissed you were the night before[/s] how much fluid your body requires.
Thats where Nuun's come into their own - hydration carried in easy format. or am i just being suckered into the hype.
Can anyone explain why 3 l of water is needed for a ride of a few hours?
depends how hard you're working/how hung over you are etc.
I've certainly gone through 3l in 4 hrs or so on hot, demanding rides
Ewan .....don't you mean live and let mince 😉 Orrrrr its great on here and you can feel all the lourve flowing between cyclists.
Rain snow and especially shine, i sweat like a rapist in the dock, and i know how bad the pain in the lower back caused by dehydration is, by bitter experience 20 miles from the car.
I aim at a litre per hour minimum. There aint a lot of places to refill when out and about unless you are lucky enough to find shops or a pub
kingkongsfinger - Member
This is the MTB Bike I ride (on any off road scenario, be it the Transalp Challenge/local MTB race/Trail centre or a potter round the local trails) Santa Cruz Blur, 100 mm rear travel, front SID's 100 mm ish travel.(SID's have lockout incase of a sprint finish to the line)Flat carbon bars slammed down on the headtube, no spacers. No ghey bar ends either. Stans ZTR tubeless, rest is XT. XTR is a waste of money for the weight saving and only for PRO's or people sucked into the "lifestyle".
This is what equipment i take on all rides, spare tube (with a square piece of tyre sidewall taped to it) This tube is taped to the underside of my 100 mm carbon stem (Bonti xxx no degree rise).
Under my Flite transalp titanium (height difference from saddle to stem, frickin major)is a small bag (size of a typical singletrack brain, large orange)containing 2 CO2 cartridges and valve adapter, cable ties,2 tyre levers and chain spliter)
In my jersey pocket, mobile phone and smack gel (for emergencies).
Dependant on duration of ride (always non stopping, warp factor 8,no dabbing on tech bits and downhill like Mammouth Mountain)
I take one bidon or two mounted on carbon cages, one in my rear jersey pocket if ride is expected to be longer than 4 hrs.
Is this a joke or did you really feel the need to describe in detail the components of your bike that you have things strapped to? You failed to mention what brand jersey you wear, pray tell; I must know.
David - fair enough but most folk ride a lot shorter than that do they not?
I am quite happy to live and let mince on this but it does amuse me the amount of kit some folk carry.
paying hundreds of pounds to save a few grammes on the bike then loading up with all sorts of uneeded kit and huge amounts of water.
Im fully aware that each extra litre is an extra kilo, but i NEED it.
And anyhow the Orange is near enough 40 lbs, im 16 stone, so what the hell is an extra half stone to a stone on my back gonna matter in the grand scheme?
Plus the more i drink, the lighter i get!
"I find it quite amazing what people carry for a short local spin but its up tto them"
One bag and its got your kit in it. period. if nothing else its training weight.
TandemJeremy - Member
Can anyone explain why 3 l of water is needed for a ride of a few hours?One bottle for normal rides, two for long hot rides when no water is available.
Some folk rider harder/longer than you 😛
Can anyone explain why 3 l of water is needed for a ride of a few hours?depends how hard you're working/how hung over you are etc.
I've certainly gone through 3l in 4 hrs or so on hot, demanding rides
Ditto. I drink a LOT anyway. I got through about 1.5l on a nignt ride last night....
I didn't know there was a need to justify why we carry what we do. But here goes:
I have two bags - one tiny one which I only use for very short blasts and one large one, presumably of the type causing the OP such offence (but it was second-hand). I refuse to buy another. I generally ride alone, and (as above) will easily get through 3L of water on a decent ride. I carry links, chain splitter, first aid kit (yes I have had to use it), keys, phone, rain jacket/winter warmer jacket, food, pump and generally 4-5 tubes (before I went tubeless). I would usually use most of them on a ride. I don't tend to change what I carry as I would only forget something in the rush to get out if I was constantly changing the contents to suit the ride.
Apologies OP, I'm not changing, I don't like the very long tedious walks.
Can anyone explain why 3 l of water is needed for a ride of a few hours?
Can you explain how you can tell how much water someone is carrying in a camelbak and how far they are riding just by looking at them?
Here's a thought:
Everyone is different. There should be no 'uniform', as the spectrum of how and where people ride mountain bikes is so varied.
If you want conformity, join a road club.
😉
ononeorange +1. Exactly what I do. Even on shorter rides could be a 45 min walk to the nearest road. And what if you can't walk because you've seriously hurt yourself? Hence need for hat and extra layer.
As for the water, the generally accepted reccomendation is 1l for every hour of exertion - any less you get dehydrated and loose efficiency. I drink a lot of water - healthy, doesn't cost and has no downside apart from peeing a bit more ofter
mmh - waterbottles in cages on frames. I can see now why TJ et al are always moaning about dogshit on trails. At least it'll kill the taste of that nasty east coast water.
Jersey pockets? my tops don't have pockets, as I don't want to cycle about the countryside in gimpy lycra splattered with wannabe pro-biker logos. Taping stuff to the frame or saddlebags are for the for the sort of people who wear Paramo.
One drybag with small toolkit, 2 spare tubes in a mesh bag, puncture kit, spare SRAM chain link, few zip ties and a pump with gaffa tape wrapped round the body. If it's likely to be windy or showery, then I've got a little Montane windshirt that goes in as well. It all lives in a Camelback Mule, along with a bladder that may or may not come along depending on the length of time I'm going out for, right next to my helmet and gloves at the back door. Saves enormous amounts of faff if I decide I want to go out for a quick spin round the local trails.
kingkongsfinger - Member
This is the MTB Bike I ride (on any off road scenario, be it the Transalp Challenge/local MTB race/Trail centre or a potter round the local trails) Santa Cruz Blur, 100 mm rear travel, front SID's 100 mm ish travel.(SID's have lockout incase of a sprint finish to the line)Flat carbon bars slammed down on the headtube, no spacers. No ghey bar ends either. Stans ZTR tubeless, rest is XT. XTR is a waste of money for the weight saving and only for PRO's or people sucked into the "lifestyle".
This is what equipment i take on all rides, spare tube (with a square piece of tyre sidewall taped to it) This tube is taped to the underside of my 100 mm carbon stem (Bonti xxx no degree rise).
Under my Flite transalp titanium (height difference from saddle to stem, frickin major)is a small bag (size of a typical singletrack brain, large orange)containing 2 CO2 cartridges and valve adapter, cable ties,2 tyre levers and chain spliter)
In my jersey pocket, mobile phone and smack gel (for emergencies).
Dependant on duration of ride (always non stopping, warp factor 8,no dabbing on tech bits and downhill like Mammouth Mountain)
I take one bidon or two mounted on carbon cages, one in my rear jersey pocket if ride is expected to be longer than 4 hrs.
Well Phaaaack me aren't you a phackin hero!
Oh, and Jase...
Good troll - probably the best one for a few months!
Ditch jockey: Jersey pockets? my tops don't have pockets, as I don't want to cycle about the countryside in gimpy lycra splattered with wannabe pro-biker logos. Taping stuff to the frame or saddlebags are for the for the sort of people who wear Paramo.
+1!