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[Closed] If a policeman stops me on my bike without justification...
and then gives me a long rant for no reason, with no basis in law, can I - legally - just tell him to fvck off, and cycle on? Or omit the "fvck off", but just ride on anyway? If either of these responses will land me in the station - what will be the legal basis for this?
I ask because a few mornings ago on my commute, a cop pulled me over and shouted at me for quite some time, for, I kid you not, performing a f*cking bunnyhop - over a pothole, on a badly maintained road. I actually explained to him "I was going over a pothole", and he literally replied "never mind the potholes, I have just seen you perform a jump in the road for no reason whatsoever". A real brain of Britain! He then went on about "where is your bell", "where is your helmet", etc.
I just said "yeah, good point", but I felt so emasculated and wish I'd told him to fvck himself with a pinecone.
I'm a trainee solicitor and do some good human rights work, I know about the grounds police need to arrest and stop and search you. But what is their legal basis for simply stopping you for a word? Was the cop berating me, in law, equivalent merely to some yob shouting at me in the street, in which case I could duly have told him, er, where to go?
Complain to his boss.
Were your jeans rolled up?
Stoner - Member
Were your jeans rolled up?
Were they really your jeans?
If you run off he runs too then books you for something. Power trip for losers unfortunately.
You could try the "I'm a trainee solicitor" angle 😀
I am yet to meet the copper that will stop me when I'm on my bike. Round here, there's always a few fat knackers on their Police mountain bikes riding on the pavements and looking all red faced - It would be an interesting, but ultimately short chase.
Always ask for their number. Always know the name of his Chief Constable and his hobbies and tell PC it'll make an interesting conversation next time you meet the CC at the golf club tennis club or local dogging site depending on CC's hobbies.
He's probably been on here in the past saying you don't need to bunnyhop to ride a bike.
Jealous fat knacker with a badge I reckon.
But was it a 'proper' bunnyhop or were you clipped in - maybe that's what he was annoyed about? 🙂
Sounds like he was having a bad day, maybe a pregnant woman had just pissed in his helmet and had to wear it for the rest of the day?!
Chalk him up as a nob and move on. If you tell him to **** off you will solicit more abuse of power by way of fixed penalty or worse. Was he a Traffic Cop? They're a breed in their own right 😆
cynic-al - Member
You could try the "I'm a trainee solicitor" angle
V funny.....that would probably go down as well as when a mate said "That's police brutality,that is" to a Sergeant in the Metropolitan Polices Special Patrol Group and got thrown at a Transit van for his comment followed up with the Plod shouting at him "I'll ****in' show you Police brutality"
Was v scary at the time
why is a pregnant woman pissing in a helmet worse than a normal woman pissing???
oh yeah I don't even acknowledge cops on bikes, but this guy was in a car and there was no traffic (he gave me the siren for said bunnyhop).
clipped in and whipped 🙂
^ but really, how is he going to issue a FPN?
[i]- Oi
[/i]
- What
[i]- You shouldn't ride on the pavement/bunnyhop potholes/whatever[/i]
- OK
[i]- What's your name son, I'm going to fine you[/i]
- OK. See ya.
pedal away.
Section 5 Public Order, Wanton and Furious Cycling (believe me it exits), whatever else takes his fancy EDIT once he's rammed you off your bike.
swearing at him will cause him to either; cry (not likely) or; arrest you for 'breach of section 5 of the public disorder act' (most likely)!
It also helps to live next door to the chief inspector, quoting his name normally sorts out overly cocky young PC's. Don't mention your a trainee solicitor it will be like a red rag to a bull, coppers hate solicitors.
why is a pregnant woman pissing in a helmet worse than a normal woman pissing???
because I think its one of those ancient laws that a pregnant lady is allowed to use the helmet of a bobby on the beat if they are caught short. the same law doesn't apply to the non-pregnant
ask him if you've broken any laws and if not, are you free to go.
You'd not broken any laws.
I like that Samuri - simple but on point - it fully conveys the purest "f*ck you" message I'm looking for, but is in no way disorderly or obscene, such that if I did end up in the station I could properly nail him with the IPPC.
The IPPC would not handle a complaint of that sort. It would be up to the local inspector to resolve.
true that
I had plain clothed one tell me off and threaten to fine me in Belgravia because I had stopped with my front wheel across the solid line at a set of lights 🙄
My jeans were rolled up so I suppose it's a fair cop.
It would have been justified if you'd been pulling a stoppie!
I should've done a massive wheelie after his rant (through the traffic he was stuck in), his melon-like skinhead would probably have exploded!
The IPPC would not handle a complaint of that sort. It would be up to the local inspector to resolve.
10/10 for pedantry!
Cheers, I rage against inaccuracy.
Rather that than rage against the Machine!
I am ... 'The Machine'. Sorry, few too many Peroni, off to bed soon!
conversely I've seen two fat cycle coppers at a busy junction; one was eating a sandwich and the other was pawing uselessly at a cash point 🙂
they were not in the slightest bit bothered by the constant stream of cyclists ignoring the red lights
I'd have given you a b-ll-cking for that "trainee solicitor" w--k.
If you were my trainee you'd be tasked with the sh---est kind of due diligence. Actually, no, I'd make you photocopy the bundles instead and paginate each document!
I think the copper did us all a favour..! 😉
Always ask for their number.
def. Gf's dad was asked to move on in no uncertain terms whilst taking part in the hugely dangerous/irresponsible act of being parked in his car and eating an ice cream. The cop was pretty taken aback when asked for his number-can only imagine he wasn't best pleased when the stinking letter came in to the station.
If someone wants to be petty then petty the **** out of them.
EDIT: that isn't my most coherent post to be fair
Does sound like a kn0b. Did you cross-up, do any no handed stylee stuff?? Was the bunny hop 4ft high????
Obi_Twa - Member
Complain to his boss.
Agree 😉 Did you get his shoulder number? He was a PC presumably? From local nick?
Give his Inspector a call and explain calmly. I'm sure he'll have a 'quiet word'
as you asked......
Section 29 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, as amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, creates the offence of cycling on a road without due care and attention or reasonable consideration. It states:
29 If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.
if you then fail to stop when requested by a constable........
Section 168 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 as amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991 provides that where the driver of a mechanically propelled vehicle or the rider of a cycle is involved in an offence of dangerous, careless or inconsiderate driving or cycling, they are duty bound to give their name and address to any person having reasonable ground for requiring them. Failure to do so or to give a false name and address is an offence.
so telling him to **** off or ride off would not be the best idea, i thought a trainee solicitor would have known that 🙂
think yourself lucky you were not on te pavement......
On **(..SPECIFY DATE..) at **(..SPECIFY TOWNSHIP..) wilfully rode a pedal cycle upon a footpath or causeway by the side of a road, namely **(..SPECIFY ROAD AND LOCATION..), made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers
in reality you will find most bobbies have their pet hates, one of mine is cyclists without lights, this is after seeeing a cyclist that had been killed on a country lane without lights, so the rants usually have some background behind them, so bear with him....
then again he may have just been a noob
1-ask is this a black thing (you don't actualy have to be black)
2-ask him why he isn't out catching real criminals
3-tell him he needs to go easy on the donuts
4-shout remember Blair peach
5-try not to bang your head on the van when your being chucked in the back
oops forgot this one, you have to stop anyway if you are on a road....
Section 163 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, as amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991 and section 49 of the Police Reform Act 2002, allows a constable in uniform to stop a mechanically propelled vehicle being driven, or a cycle being ridden, on a road.
163(1) A person driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform or a traffic officer.
163(2) A person riding a cycle on a road must stop the cycle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform or a traffic officer.
163(3) If a person fails to comply with this section he is guilty of an offence.
so i would say just stop have a chat, take your sermon from the officer and carry onh your way,and DONT mention you are a trainee solicitor, All police officers hate solicitors and taxi drivers 😈
or maybe he wanted to inspect your cycle which he can do.........
Regulation 11 of the Pedal Cycles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1983 provides that any constable in uniform is empowered to test and inspect a pedal cycle for the purpose of ascertaining whether any of the requirements specified in Regulation 4(b), or Regulation 7 or, as the case maybe Regulation 8, are satisfied.
11 Any constable in uniform is empowered to test and inspect a pedal cycle for the purpose of ascertaining whether any of the requirements specified in Regulation 4(b), or Regulation 7 or, as the case maybe Regulation 8, are satisfied provided he does so either -
(a) on any premises where the cycle is if the cycle has been involved in an accident, and the test and inspection are carried out within 48 hours if the accident and the owner of the premises consents; or
(b) on a road.
good job your lights were clean.....
On **(..SPECIFY DATE..) at **(..SPECIFY TOWNSHIP..) caused **(..SPECIFY PERSON..) to use on a road, namely **(..SPECIFY ROAD AND LOCATION..), a pedal cycle on which not every
(A)_[front position lamp]_
(B)_[rear position lamp]_
(C)_[rear retro reflector]_
(D)_[pedal retro reflector]_
was clean.
think yoursel lucky you werent giving someone a backy......bigg trouble
On **(..SPECIFY DATE..) at **(..SPECIFY TOWNSHIP..) on a road, namely **(..SPECIFY ROAD AND LOCATION..), were one of
(A)_[two]_
(B)_[two or more]_
persons carried on a bicycle which was not constructed or adapted to carry more than one person.
bum him
and its not only us coppers you have to stop for, even the lowly PCSO can require you to stop and give you a telling off......
On **(..SPECIFY DATE..) at **(..SPECIFY TOWNSHIP..), being a person
(A)_[riding]_
(B)_[propelling]_
a pedal cycle, neglected or refused to stop for the purposes of a road check under section 4 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, when directed to do so by a designated community support officer engaged in the regulation of traffic in a road, namely **(..SPECIFY ROAD AND LOCATION..)
christ theres another 7 pages of cycling related offences to get through yet, but there are prisoners coming in so ill have to leave it!!
one more then, hope you had your rear reflector fitted......
Schedule 18, Part I of the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 provides requirements in relation to the number of obligatoryrear retro reflectors on vehicles.
1. NUMBER.
1(a) Any vehicle not covered by sub-paragraph (b) or (c).
Number of lamps required: Two.
1(b) A solo motor bicycle, a pedal cycle with less than four wheels and with or without a sidecar, a trailer drawn by a pedal cycle, a trailer the overall width of which does not exceed 800 mm drawn by a solo motor bicycle or a motor bicycle combination, an invalid carriage having a maximum speed not exceeding 4 mph and a vehicle drawn or propelled by hand.
Number of lamps required: One.
So basically there's shedloads of petty little laws that can be used against you when out on a bike - it must be so dangerous for the general public if a bike is lacking pedal reflectors.
Section 29 of the Road Traffic Act 1988
....yeah but was matey on a 29er?
*gets coat*
can easygirl be banned please. 😉
the size of wheel is irrelevant in the eyes of the law !
laws are only petty to the people comitting them
they are useful tools to law enforcement agencies for hacking trainee solicitors off 😀
If someone wants to be petty then petty the **** out of them.
LOL!
Loving the collective 'keyboard rebellion' against the forces of evil 😆
Lets face it - easiest, quickest response is to be civil/polite and be on your way, ****ting about on the road on a bike isn't really that clever and neither is being a 'cheeky schoolboy' to a Police Officer who catches you out 🙄
how hard is it to bunnyhop a fakenger fixie anyway?
have we established how this fine officer of the law 'caught out' the OP?
easygirl surely upholding the law is more to do with using discretion and applying it appropriately rather than blindly following it to the letter?
And I would argue that 'having a rant' has no place whatsover if you choose to work in the public sector
Ah yess fontmoss - the discretion clause - makes no sense to book people for breaking the law if you can choose not to... 🙂 Personally I'd just ignore them if they called after me (can't claim you definitely heard them, you might be deaf) but if they stepped out in front I'd just point out that bunnyhopping isn't either dangerous, careless or a problem to anyone else. But I would be aware that they could and probably would find a reason to book me!
ban easygirl please 😀 i dont have lights as i dont ride at night and i have no reflectors as i took them all off...... will i go to prison and become bubba's wife?
once got screamed at by the po po's out of their window as they drove along. shouting something unintelligible. got closer and he was shouting.
'oi you lot, ride ON the pavement'
baffling.
can easygirl be banned please.
Too useful a resource for that...
It seems to me that any mountain bike (or any serious road, CX, specialist sports oriented non commute / supermarket bike) is vulnerable to these elements of the law. They are too sports specific.
None of my bikes have a bell fitted - my understanding is that new bikes have to be supplied with one (and that, therefore, cannot apply to frame only build ups), but there is no legal requirement to have one fitted thereafter??
Regarding reflectors - I don't think I have ever had a front reflector on an mtb, and I gave up on rear reflectors on mtbs about 15 years ago as the vibration always causes the plastic mountings to fail.
Likewise with pedal reflectors - I use eggies / candies or DMR flat pedals. No reflectors on any of them - although my clipless shoes do have Scotchbrite on the heel cup.
I do agree with the be polite and politely enquire as to the reason for being stopped and questioned though.
oh god, not again, the posts were tongue in cheek for gods sake 🙂
i dont have reflectors on my bike for the record
mind you , if a bobby stopped me and advised me re my manner of cycling on a road i would not consider telling him to **** off, neither would i get on a forum , id say "Thanks", and ride off muttering under my breath.
posts were tongue in cheek for gods sake
maybe the replies are too 😉
would simply have asked how what you did was breaking what law ..... have him explain what you have been stopped for, so you are no longer guessing.......
And in your example - ask what he would have rather you had done instead - since going through the pothole could have caused you to get a puncture, lose control and get run over (which is what you could explain you were wishing to avoid) ... or some other mis-hap that you managed to safely avoid ..... 'safely' as evidenced by the fact that you did it and no-one else got bothered/injured etc etc.
What training do the plod have for inspecting bikes?
Didn't you just tell him to "go and catch some proper criminals!"
Do you seriously have to have all those reflectors?
I know it's petty, but I cannot remember the last time I actually had reflectors on my bike, or any bike that I own, simply because the dam things keep falling off, getting in the way, or are just shite. I don't have a bell either because having a bell on a mountain bike would be absolutely stoopid.
Who the hell thinks up these things?
Easygirl, can you change these things? Make it o...
I'd just get on with my day and forget about it.
I don't have a bell either because having a bell on a mountain bike would be absolutely stoopid.
I've got a bell on every one of my bikes. Comes in very handy, especially in busy urban areas. Usually gets a smile from walkers on bridlepaths as well.
He's a police-person. That means he can do what he wants. Unless you're very well armed or the Queen, just smile sweetly, call him "Sir" and don't make any sudden movements.
I can't say I much like the idea of people doing whipped bunnyhops over the potholes if they're ahead of me on the road, if I'm totally honest. 🙂
once got screamed at by the po po's out of their window as they drove along. shouting something unintelligible. got closer and he was shouting.'oi you lot, ride ON the pavement'
baffling.
By your use of the "po po's" I would guess you're 5 and he was worried for your safety ? 😆
My son and I were coasting down a pedestianised bit of road last summer and was called out to stop by a PCSO. I carried on but had to stop up the road for my son to catch up. The PCSO swung in front of me all red in the face and wanted to give me a ticket for not stopping and riding in the pedestrianised area. I politely told him that the two coppers I passed on the way down didn't worry about it. He didn't like that and put his book away and rode off!
Now I see him riding his shiny new bike around my estate, on the footpath! One rule for one?
Can't say I've ever had trouble with the police even when riding past them at night with no lights/reflectors on my bmx (no brakes at the time either), hopping from curb to curb and such. I like to think they have more important things to worry about!
If they're on foot it should be easy to get away if shouted at anyway 😆
It does appear with so much time on their hands that all other crimes must be a thing of the past though. Can you request that a police officer arrests themselves for wasting police time?
you could ask a police officer to arrest himself for wasting police time, i know what theanswer would be
I ride on a towpath (only to work i hasten to add) i've encountered bigger A-holes on there than anywhere else. Passed a jogger once, stopped further along to take a phone call to be passed by the jogger ranting and raving about not warning him i was passing. To which i replied "i shouted a warning but you've got headphones stuck in your ears and i dont do telepathy" Another occasion i was whacked across the knuckles by an old boy with a walking stick (thankfully i had my carbon knuckled gloves on) for not using the towpath for its intended purpose, i told him that neither was he cos he wasn't a horse pulling a barge, he just mumbled and shuffled away. Fishermen on the the other hand have always been ok with me, even the ones with those carbon rods that seem to be longer than the canal is wide for some odd reason, but i digress......
