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Just got off the phone and I should have a set by the weekend, no BBs yet though.
Pics will be up when I get them 🙂
price?
£200 with chainrings.
hmmm... will they be doing an uno version? or one without rings?
for my SS you see...
Any pictures available?
Do you know i this uses a standard HTII BB? Can feel a purchase coming on, particularly if it's compatible with a CK BB.
Pics and my own thinking on why they have a user replaceable axle: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=591474
Not holding my breath, though they will get an instant order if they support adjustable Q-factor.
Where from ?
mmmmmmm....
like these from 18 bikes?
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bigger pics here
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Yep like those, has removable spider like the current cranks, left hand crank bonded to axle, adjustable bearing tension like XTR 970, and compatible with HT2 BBs.
Available in black?
so what sets them above, lets say some xt cranks?
Yes black or silver to start with and coloured spiders. No idea if they are better than XT, but I'll put them on the scales to start with and see what that comes up with.
so what sets them above, lets say some xt cranks?
Nicheness. Nothing else.
The chainrings will last far longer than XT that's for sure but then it costs more, but not as much as XTR.
They are supposed to be a tad lighter than the XT's and will be available in black and silver.
so what sets them above, lets say some xt cranks?
They're made in the UK, so you're supporting the british manufacturing industry. Worth paying a bit extra for IMO, even if the quality is no better. I do work for a british manufacturing company, so this may colour my opinions slightly.
I have been told that each arm will be bolted to the axle.
what is the strength expeted to be like?
Let's see what arrives later on this week then, either way I'm getting a set.
I love their cranks and supporting this company that's producing amazing tech at a fraction of the budget the big boys have is no mean feat.
Been using them for around 10 years and they still look soooooooooooo nice. I wonder if most people know that their duo cranks came out such a long time ago, way before sram?.
Surely they are not niche just bloody good, after all niche is jut a new term for not mainstream? besides its horses for courses, I love the variation and choice we have at the moment, oh actually please don't buy them as I want a set and they always seem to sell out due to demand!
will they use the same rings as current cranks do? i have an uno with a stripped LHS crank, which i could use the uno ring off...
once i sell my rohloff i'll be in the market - next couple of weeks i hope! been wanting one of these since i heard about them...
Nicheness. Nothing else.
I have to disagree. Middleburn cranks are one of the few things I would buy over basic shimano stuff. They just last forever! Hopefully these could be as good as their square taper cranks - I've known one set of those go for over a decade and still look brand new.
I would love some MB cranks and a Royce BB, just real quality stuff you can depend on.
Middleburn square taper are/were much better than any Shimano offering in terms of longevity.
Also warranty is brilliant, had a set fail after 9 years of heavy use, emailed Middleburn who said ' send em back and we'll stick replacements in the post'.
It seems that lifetime warranty means just that to these guys.
Middleburn are a great British company that produce outstanding components
They are certainly worth giving your business to for both those reasons
Middleburn i love them my RS7s Square Taper are still going strong after 7 years. Reasons to buy? Britishness, Quality and Warranty. Reasons not to buy the bottom bracket is not supplied by them and from what ive heard others offerings are not up to scratch.
REALLY Middleburn have a lifetime warranty? My RS3s cracked after about 3 years use, been in the garage for the last few years. I wonder......
Nothing on their website? Is this going to be a general public release or just a few pre prod parts for promo/test?
That spider looks a bit low-rent.
I'll be watching these with interest, the external BB means that I don't have to faff around with different bb axle lenths to get the chainline for my Rohloff. I really wouldn't go Shimano after the cracks that appear in all the slx chainsets I've looked at.
I like the idea of fitting a CK bb too.
Obviously affording those two options is another matter - a wish list more like it! 🙂
Pic is a pre production sample so should look much better when released
@woodsman - I thought those 'cracks' already got explained (due to the way the cranks are formed) and aren't a defect or a sign of failure, assuming you mean the ones from the pedal hole to the end of the crank arm.
FuzztWuzzy - maybe so, maybe not, I couldn't buy something like that though.
Anyone got any pics of this?
Skinny CNC vs. hollow and cold forged. I'll take the Shimanos please...
Adjustable Q-factor, why is this a benefit?
Middleburn square taper are/were much better than any Shimano offering in terms of longevity.
Really? I've got various japanese cranks still going, up to 20 years old.
The Middleburns are made from forged blanks so shouldn't have CNC from billet type fatigue problems.
Whilst fiddling with mrs' singlespeed the other week, I did some "interesting" crank weighing. We use sq taper on everything, and she has some 4 arm Altus cranks (bin the steel ramped rings and then fit ss ring of your choice). Cranks are nice enough but quite heavy. Still looks like a forging to me, but on the kitchen scales they were a LOT heavier than 4 arm shimano cranks produced before HTII. Also significantly heavier than almost any old Shimano 5 arm crank I could find (from Exage right through to XT). Hmmm - how come Shimano sq taper cranks suddenly got much porkier once they need to justify the existence of something new?
Huh?
Their old, extremely cheap cranks are heavier than their similarly old, higher end cranks? Hardly a shock...
Altus cranks were v cheap and older stuff was more expensive and made a lot better.
Adjustable Q-factor suits me - my wonky knees don't like a narrow Q! I can't ride with a narrow Q more like!!
Where's the pictures then..........
Pictures tomorrow, I just phoned to hassle where they were, currently in his hands being put in an envelope 😀
I have ISIS RS7s with an UNO spider/c-ring and have been very impressed with them.
iirc when I was researching them matched with a decent BB they come out as light as XTR but for little more than XT money (dep on the BB you choose)
then there's that lifetime guarantee ... against *anything* including racing, jumping and DH.
These are much more than niche (although they are that aswell) they're are a very high quality, good value and fantastically performing product.
That they're British just goes to show that you can do these things in the UK without "needing" to charge a premium. Should embarrass some other UK manufacturers IMO
....and not outsource the manufacture abroad - please tell me this is still the case here?
Can I show my ignorance and ask the difference between road and mtb cranks? I appreciate that road bikes have more teeth per chain ring but other than that?
Yes these are definately manufactured in the UK, devon in fact.
what BB will they work with? a middleburn one? or a shimano?
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now a set of those with the duo st up 29 44 for the commute come cross come tourer may be tempting
They're lovely. When I finally see them I'm even more frustrated and surprised it's taken them so long to produce them.
It also makes me want them even more. Oh dear. I hope they do some sorta Uno version.
nice. pricing?
Looks like you preload it with the 8mm DNS and then tighten up the collar inside the NDS arm?
Shame that they've rounded off all the edges on the arms, I kinda like the angular CNC look of teh RS7's.
Don't want to spoil some hopes above, and I love these things, we have sets on two bikes, but I am pretty certain they are now made in Italy, same spec and stds as before - Italy was the only place they found which could do it. Great company and great guys and great products..
Have just looked at their site and does say 'on-site manufacturing' so amy be they where made in Italy for a while!?
I seem to remember the blank forging was done in europe (italy?), and that machining is done in-house, along with spiders and chainrings, etc.
Hopefully those bad boys at 18bikes have got a set for me....
There's been some bizarre crank designs over the years, I like the Caramba Double Barrels!
http://gallery.fakawitribe.com/CarambaAlbum/
...and not outsource the manufacture abroad - please tell me this is still the case here?
Yup, forged in Italy, allegedly no one in this country was capable of droping a big hammer on a lump of aluminium quite accurately enough. I can't imagine Italy is cheeper than south Wales so must be true.
Weight and price?
Is the spider the same as the RS7 one? In which case any of the RS8/Duo/Uno stuff will fit...
Hopefully the standard of metalwork in Italy has improved since the days of the Alfasud.
😀
so excited...
so which shops who sell them give STW membership discounts?
The only problem with old Alfas was the nasty recycled Russian tanks they used for steel.
I for one am glad they don't look identical to RS7s, it shows they're moving forwards with the design (even if for no particular reason). After all, RS7s don't look like RS4s do they?
Good job I've been procrastinating about what cranks to put on my Trance, since now I can just wait for these to come out.
And those Carambda cranks aren't too dissimilar to what Rotor are doing at the moment with the [url= 
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look lovely, would definately like a UNO set for my SS.
I'd go for a Pace (as it's re-greasable as per Chris King) or Hope. Keep it UK!
Does anyone have these in stock now with 165 arms? If so I will buy today!
1961bikie, all external BB are greasable if you can be bothered.
They do look nice, I didnt really like the look of any of the previous Middleburn cranks...
I still think my old Campag ones were prettier though. (forgive the shocking choice of pedal)
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Made in Italy - both Middleburn and campy!
gonna go and order mine in approx 30 mins, all being well... if not, tomorrow.
woo!
Ok, want some, my XTR XX dilemma has just been resolved, where can I get some?
Just need a decent British manufacturer to produce derailiers and we could have complete British bikes!
Hmmm, they do look lovely. I had some old ones on a dh bike, and they were nice, they look better though. I'll get some at some point in time...
still no mention on their website?
are they available? my lbs will hopefully be ordering them tomorrow for me...
Any idea of price? Have you fitted them yet?
Yep had 2 pairs delivered yesterday, see if I can't get some pics up later
I've been quoted £180 for cranks and spider. No rings or BB
Just found some w/o rings for £175, so another £65 for Hardcoat Slickshift ring set = £240. Bottom Bracket at £60 for a decent Hope one and your at the £300 mark. XTR can be had with BB for £280ish, but it's British so i'm buying it! I'd be interested to see how much they weigh?
Hope these help.
The only machining on the forged arms are the pedal threads and spider attachment.
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The collar adjusts the pre-load on the BB.
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Please ignore the shonky chainguide......
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very lovely they are too- deals on Hope Stainless BB when bought together, save £7 using code MBURNHOPEBB
What's the weight?
Too late now somehow someone had a set BNIB on fleabay, £175 job done 😀 happy with that. For a change I don't think they were stolen either!
what do they weigh please