[Closed] Neighbour trading cars from his home address....anything I can do?

Do what the nice locals back home did to my mates garage ..... When for a brief 2 week spell he had more cars than space.

Went round and kicked both wing mirrors off all the cars......on the street and his forecourt just to make sure he got the message.

But seriously.... All taxed/tested/insured and on public road. = sweet fa you can do.

They all appear to be using open source material. Tits.

Visit your local authority planning web site and report him for operating a business from a dwelling without planing permission.

Report him to the Inland Revenue.

Cars on the road outside other peoples houses?…..that's damn outrageous……..I'd fire off an email to the daily mail… i bet he's smuggling illegal immigrants in the boot as well.

This was on MSE

s5 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005

Exposing vehicles for sale on a road

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if at any time -

(a)he leaves two or more motor vehicles parked within 500 metres of each other on a road or roads where they are exposed or advertised for sale, or
(b)he causes two or more motor vehicles to be so left.

(2) A person is not to be convicted of an offence under subsection (1) if he proves to the satisfaction of the court that he was not acting for the purposes of a business of selling motor vehicles.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.

I believe that a level 4 fine is £2500.

Therefore if you're going to start "buying and selling of cars from home" you're going to need a home that features sufficient land to park the cars that you're offering for sale, and if you want to transform your front garden into a car showroom you're going to need planning permission.

I always thought that there was some legislation

Thanks for the replies so far folks. No immigrants seen in the boot so far....

If he's renting the house he will almost certainly be breaking his lease by running a business from the house. If you know the land lord that is another option.

Advertise the same cars much cheaper elsewhere.. Copy and paste all the details on to somewhere that is free.

Cloudnine.....I like this idea!

Advertise the same cars much cheaper elsewhere.. Copy and paste all the details on to somewhere that is free.

Filed for later use 😀

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Yep, landlord will probably object and the clean neighborhood act seems another route.

Or the classic of as soon as the cars move get some skips ordered

Get a huge discount on a new car every couple of years??

Do you know who the letting agency is?

Contact them with the details.

You can get the details of the house owner from the Land Registry for £6.

The agent and the owner just want to make money with no hassle. They don't want bad tenants as its bad for business.

Start with a few polite emails to the agent.

Call the local planning office. Needs consent to operate a business from.home address.

Definitely a breach of planning - this is assuming he is trading from home, he may of course claim he is just storing the cars there. Call the council they are obliged to follow this up. Also if he has a standard tenancy agreement it will almost certainly say he cannot conduct a business at the address - does the landlord use an agent or do you know him personally as an ex-neighbour ? You'll have more joy if you can persuade other neighbours to complain. BTW do the autotrader ads say "trade" he cannot say "private" if he's doing this as a business, so if so you can make more trouble with trading standards.

Would you prefer it if he was selling drugs?

Relax, life's too short

do you need a licence to deal cars in the UK? if so, complain to whoever hands them out.

john_drummer - Member
Would you prefer it if he was selling drugs?

Relax, life's too short

If you want to set up a car yard get somewhere with plenty of space.

Would you prefer it if he was selling drugs?
Relax, life's too short

Yeah it doesn't matter if someone's doing something illegal right next door, does it? Let's just ignore the facts that he's not paying his business rates, or abiding by planning regulations, or paying the correct taxes, or breaking his tenancy agreement, or creating hassle for all his neighbours, it doesn't matter about rules which make it an easier and nicer country to live in! Let's all do exactly what we want and expect people just to put up with it, ok?

Muppet.

I wonder if his employer knows he's trading cars under his own name too? He might be creaming-off the best trade-ins and buying/selling them himself "off the books" so to speak.

As well as tipping-off the local council/tax man/landlord, might be worth telling his employer too. They might turn a blind eye to it, but it can't hurt.

Bet your Nellie they aren't taxed! Since the tax is now refunded to the last owner.

This will help you on the VED front https://www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk

1) You only pay business rates in commercial properties, home businesses are exempt.

2) The new VED law only apply to vehicles without a tax disc.

3) People are really advocating seriously ****ing someone over, potentially losing their home and livelihood for the sake of a few parked cars? Wow.

@squirrelking

Yeah it doesn't matter if someone's doing something illegal right next door, does it? Let's just ignore the facts that he's not paying his business rates, or abiding by planning regulations, or paying the correct taxes, or breaking his tenancy agreement, or creating hassle for all his neighbours, it doesn't matter about rules which make it an easier and nicer country to live in! Let's all do exactly what we want and expect people just to put up with it, ok?

3) People are really advocating seriously **** someone over, potentially losing their home and livelihood for the sake of a few parked cars? Wow.

This really... I mean... come on.... WTF is the world coming to when we're shopping a bloke for making a few quid in a mostly legal way.

Yeah it doesn't matter if someone's doing something illegal right next door, does it? Let's just ignore the facts that he's not paying his business rates, or abiding by planning regulations, or paying the correct taxes, or breaking his tenancy agreement, or creating hassle for all his neighbours, it doesn't matter about rules which make it an easier and nicer country to live in!

The OP doesn't actually care about taxes, or rates, or agreements, only about a couple of cars parked there. The other things are just nice for him so he can justify being a tool.

So he was asked nicely to move the cars, didn't bother and not interested. It's a public road not a place of business, it's not on to hog the road to make a few quid on the side. I guess those who don't mind will be OK when I park 12 cars outside your house for a few weeks.

mikewsmith - Member

So he was asked nicely to move the cars, didn't bother and not interested. It's a public road not a place of business, it's not on to hog the road to make a few quid on the side. I guess those who don't mind will be OK when I park 12 cars outside your house for a few weeks

I agree it's not right... but there's ways and means... I seriously despair about STWers at times. One of these days i'll come on to read "My neighbour keeps going out on his bike at 6am and his footsteps on the gravel wake me up, what can I do about it"

Or other such gems....

Most of the suggestions just give the OP some leverage when he suggests that the cars get moved or....
Partly rules are there to stop people being anti social and help those that it impacts. If the guy selling the cars doesn't know the rules the he should.

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Actually.... I hate inconsiderate people. This guy knows he's being inconsiderate, he just doesn't care. Got it coming IMO.

mikewsmith - Member

Most of the suggestions just give the OP some leverage when he suggests that the cars get moved or....
Partly rules are there to stop people being anti social and help those that it impacts. If the guy selling the cars doesn't know the rules the he should.

So we're agreed, the OP doesn't care he's selling cars, only that they're parked outside his house, the the offender moved them 1/2 a mile away the OP wouldn't actually care.

Happened to me - be thankful that is is just 5. Ours acquired about 20 ... and parked them around the village.
There is actually nothing you can do - so the parish council found out.

Thankfully, we have now moved

Probably a question for the OP that one my psychic skills are busy seeking lottery numbers

Edit

I'd have a word and ask that they move them, thankfully we all have huge detached houses with swimming pools and Kylie pops round for a beer every few weeks.

Inconsiderate neighbours are everywhere, they will just carry on until somebody points out they are taking the piss.

Nice edit...

I thought it was illegal to sell cars now at the side of the road etc?

Certainly there was a bit of land near where I used to work and it got to the stage where the Police removed the cars

I am concerned about the environmental elements, the non payment of taxes, business rates and so on, but yes of course i'd be lying if i said having a car lot outside my house wasnt pleasant? Never minded when he had one but now 5 are taking the piss.

People take the piss in all walks of life, most people pay taxes and are decent people, working hard; like everthing in life there are some who don't give a flying one. I do.

Granted he may work hard and earn a decent living from it, no issues with that at all. I'd just like the various vehicles not obscuring my view or drive way.

newsmith you are a bit of a dick arent you. wont be editing this.

[quote=Pigface said]newsmith you are a bit of a dick arent you. wont be editing this.

Got out of bed the wrong side today ?

Yes I guess I did 😳

"I'd just like the various vehicles not obscuring my view or drive way."

now if hes blocking your drive way and yours cars on it - thats against some law or other..... but only if its an actual official drive way with a drop kerb and there is a car on it.... wierdly its apparently not an offence to block an empty drive way although a bit dickish - tis why tow ropes were invented :d

"2) The new VED law only apply to vehicles without a tax disc."

this is wrong dave.

even if you have a valid tax disk now that doesnt run out till august next year - if you sell your car you get an automatic rebate for full months left , the tax disk become invalid and your car will show on the ANPR as untaxed.

- we just sold a motor and got a rebate :d

Would it be OK if he was selling flash cars?

What if they were just his cars? A guy at my work has about 6. I am firmly in the "get over it" camp with this one.

A few years ago Northampton's streets filled up with hundreds of (ex-auction?)cars with for sale signs in the windows. It was rumoured to be a Polish thing. It certainly degraded the area and annoyed people as parking was a bit of a headache anyway. However I don't know what/if the council did anything but it came to an end.
I used to wonder what sort of person would buy a motor in the street having called a mobile number? I am definitely not in the 'get over it' camp and can't bear people who willfully disregard the rights of others by trying to run off-record businesses in residential streets.

3) People are really advocating seriously **** someone over, potentially losing their home and livelihood for the sake of a few parked cars? Wow.

Happened to me - be thankful that is is just 5. Ours acquired about 20 ... and parked them around the village.
There is actually nothing you can do - so the parish council found out.

oh no - a business from home.

i wonder where all the contractors on here run their business from?

Check if their insured on the imdb register. He won't be insuring each car individually so there has to be some sort of trade or fleet policy.If he's got his own policy then insurers normally require that you have premises but you are allowed to use your driveway but it's all very specific. Unless he's using his employers insurance which is a different ball game.

This was on MSE

s5 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005

Exposing vehicles for sale on a road

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if at any time -

(a)he leaves two or more motor vehicles parked within 500 metres of each other on a road or roads where they are exposed or advertised for sale, or
(b)he causes two or more motor vehicles to be so left.

(2) A person is not to be convicted of an offence under subsection (1) if he proves to the satisfaction of the court that he was not acting for the purposes of a business of selling motor vehicles.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.

I believe that a level 4 fine is £2500.

Therefore if you're going to start "buying and selling of cars from home" you're going to need a home that features sufficient land to park the cars that you're offering for sale, and if you want to transform your front garden into a car showroom you're going to need planning permission.

I always thought that there was some legislation

I suppose a loophole may lie in what 'exposed or advertised for sale' means in the light of online advertising and sales. Back in the day that meant a For Sale sign in the windscreen. If the OP simply suspected they were for sale then nothing about the cars, other than their quantity, says 'stop me and buy one'.

Similarly the seller isn't operating a business from his home, in planning terms, because the cars aren't in his home, they are in the street and buyer doesn't need to enter house to see or buy them.

Check if their insured on the imdb register

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No immigrants seen in the boot so far

Nip over to Calais, get a couple and put them in his boot 😀

Sorry your right not imdb it's m I d.

@ robdob - charming 🙄

i wonder where all the contractors on here run their business from?

As if that's even close to the same thing. I don't have computers piled up all over the streets getting in people's way now do I?

i wonder where all the contractors on here run their business from?

"2) The new VED law only apply to vehicles without a tax disc."

this is wrong dave.

even if you have a valid tax disk now that doesnt run out till august next year - if you sell your car you get an automatic rebate for full months left , the tax disk become invalid and your car will show on the ANPR as untaxed.

- we just sold a motor and got a rebate :d

My mistake, good to know.

@squirrelking

Yeah it doesn't matter if someone's doing something illegal right next door, does it? Let's just ignore the facts that he's not paying his business rates, or abiding by planning regulations, or paying the correct taxes, or breaking his tenancy agreement, or creating hassle for all his neighbours, it doesn't matter about rules which make it an easier and nicer country to live in! Let's all do exactly what we want and expect people just to put up with it, ok?

I take it you know the guy then when you can say all that so confidently? Must be great to have all his personal information and bank records to hand to make such a statement. Tell me though, why are you wasting your talents on this guy and not the ones who owe millions? Methinks you have your priorities wrong somewhere.

Just on a similar note, does this mean self-employed folk aren't allowed to rent?

Depends on the nature of the work whether you can do it from a rented property.

I'm guessing that running a car sales business, with stock, would fall outside the fuzzy grey area for most landlords.

I normally agree with the "life is too short" approach...
But life is also too short to have your environment blighted by some selfish git selling cars.

But life is also too short to have your environment blighted by some selfish git selling cars.

I agree, parked cars are a blight... however i dont see how a parked car that is for sale different to one that is not for sale.

I agree, parked cars are a blight... however i dont see how a parked car that is for sale different to one that is not for sale.

It isn't. But five is.

I agree, parked cars are a blight... however i dont see how a parked car that is for sale different to one that is not for sale.
It isn't. But five is.

So the street is normally totally empty, but now has five cars on it?

Is he operating a legit business?
Trade plates, insurances etc? This is what I'd be checking, and if he's not, I'd shop him for that- odds are that if he's not legit the cars are almost certainly going to be uninsured- for customer test drive especially - and no insurance is a hanging offence in my book.

Trade plates, insurances etc? This is what I'd be checking,

its a bloke selling (apparently) 5 cars, you really think he is going down the trade insurance route rather than cheap 3rd party? This whole thread assume he is got some scheme going, when in reality its probably just a bloke who has first refusal (through his work) to some cheap cars he can sell on for a few quid.

this place is now full of self righteous, petty,over-privileged tossers 🙁

With no insurance paying no tax and the rest. Play by the rules or get out.

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pitduck - Member
this place is now full of self righteous, petty,over-privileged tossers

Have you been on the forum long? Seriously, you should have known that by now.

munrobiker - Member

What if they were just his cars? A guy at my work has about 6. I am firmly in the "get over it" camp with this one.

Seems like virtually every suburban road I drive on now is just basically a mile long chicane, weaving in and out of parked cars.

I really wish they'd introduce a tax for leaving cars on the road. Own more cars than you have parking spaces on your land? Fine, that'll be £250 a year, per car please.

I really wish they'd introduce a tax for leaving cars on the road.

So poor people with no drives get penalised?

I really wish they'd introduce a tax for leaving cars on the road. Own more cars than you have parking spaces on your land? Fine, that'll be £250 a year, per car please.

I'm guessing from that, you live in a nice, middle class estate of suburban semi's with manicured gardens, double garages and driveways? Good luck with informing the residents of somewhere with rows and rows of terraced houses (most northern towns, for example) about the new charges you'll now be lobbying on them. Can I watch when you do? 😆

If your car is taxed you can park it pretty much wherever you like. This applies no matter how many cars you own. And even if you're a frightful poor person, who probably wears leisurewear, and smokes. I know it isn't fair that people with too much time on their hands, no real problems worthy of note, who tut loudly at things they disapprove of, aren't allowed to make laws up as they go along, but its an unjust society we live in! Pesky bloody democracy! 😀

Binners, it would work if it were zoned, as in Japan. Or, say, if you have two parking spaces and have more than two cars.

Or, like in our street, if you have a garage and one driveway space but you convert the garage knowing that this will force you to leave one car on the narrow congested street permanently thereby making the street a right clogged up mess 👿

Or even worse, if you have a driveway for two cars nose to tail but only put one in it because you are simply too lazy to shuffle the cars around 👿

"If your car is taxed you can park it pretty much wherever you like. This applies no matter how many cars you own. Even if you're a frightful poor person, who probably wears leisurewear, and smokes."

tell that to the residents of the city centre flats in aberdeen or even garthdee now thanks to the university.

permit required.... and that permit only gives you the right to park your motor -it doesnt guarantee you a space on your street ..... or even in the city.

#firstworldproblems

binners - Member

I'm guessing from that, you live in a nice, middle class estate of suburban semi's with manicured gardens, double garages and driveways? Good luck with informing the residents of somewhere with rows and rows of terraced houses (most northern towns, for example) about the new charges you'll now be lobbying on them. Can I watch when you do?

If your car is taxed you can park it pretty much wherever you like. This applies no matter how many cars you own. And even if you're a frightful poor person, who probably wears leisurewear, and smokes. I know it isn't fair that people with too much time on their hands, no real problems worthy of note, who tut loudly at things they disapprove of, aren't allowed to make laws up as they go along, but its an unjust society we live in! Pesky bloody democracy!

Looks like a winning post for Binners Bullshit Bingo.

inverse snobbery about the middle classes - check
downtrodden northerners - check
smokers - check
tracksuits - check
ignoring or misunderstanding the issue at hand - check

If there was a comment in there about the Thatcher it'd be a full house.

As it happens I live in chav-tier Essex. Perhaps we can have a competition about who has the most deprived areas in a 10 mile radius and who has had the most bikes stolen?

Anyway to use the local vernacular, you can shove it up your bollocks mate. 🙂