[Closed] Spotted this on the back of VW/dub T4 van- nowt wrong or?

The eagle has been a part of the 'german' coat of arms for hundreds of years. The problem begins when it's perching on a swastika.

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As seen on the German football team shirts

Nothing to worry about here

The eagle has been a part of the 'german' coat of arms for hundreds of years.

True but the Nazis did have a very distinctive Reichsadler which I doubt many people would miss the significance of.

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It probably helps that it's a fantastic piece of design...

True but there is a specific version that the Nazis designed & started using in 1935 which is what I suspect the OP is referring to. It looks badass although you'd have to be pretty ignorant to be oblivious to the significance.

The problem begins when it's perching on a swastika.

The problem begins when it spreads it's wings...

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2007/jun/20/business.secondworldwar

Perhaps better to avoid comparison with Nazi symbology even if historically correct?

The one on the T-shirt is certainly the "Third Reich" version. But then the Volkswagen was a particularly "Third Reich" sort of car.

I recently saw a nice vw van with a huge iron cross on the side. It would normally not have registered but it was around Poppy Day.

The one on the T-shirt is certainly the "Third Reich" version. But then the Volkswagen was a particularly "Third Reich" sort of car.

Not quite (and the wearer could argue this makes it OK) but the Wermacht eagle faces the other way.
(Edit, only the military one faces left. Run of the mill nazi faces right). even so...

I think you are indeed, over acting.
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Edit, only the military one faces left. Run of the mill nazi faces right

Wringers gonna wring

Symbolism. The Nazi era Eagle was sat on a Swastika, this 'dub' on a VW symbol. Would it be wrong to see visual shared clues?

On a much wider note the British far right use subtle symbolism- 1 & 8, Lonsdale, Fred Perry kit, hijacked New Balance trainers, ('NN') angled stands for.. All this is subtle. The dub drawing is provocative and wrong.

only a metre high? pfff...

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I always found the giant stone eagle at Barclays Radbroke Hill a little scarey.

Symbols are powerful - I won't wear my Swastika Bungalows t shirt out (souvenir of visiting friends in Bali on their world trip as literal last chance to see due to encroaching blindness) as many people will get the wrong idea.

Illinois Nazis. I hatec Illinois Nazis.

All this is subtle

Ahh but they took the black claws off the Eagle at Barclays some years back...

The swastika was orginally a religous symbol, Adolf and Co, ruined that too.

Whatever you do Hora, don't look up the ADAC , (German automobile club) eagle symbol, you might injur yourself hand wringing. I had the same sticker on on of my T3's years ago, it's tacky is about the biggest gripe I can throw at it.

Subverting a nazi symbol on a load of badly painted old vans seems just about perfect to me. 😀

Defender - Member
The swastika was orginally a religous symbol, Adolf and Co, ruined that too.
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Pictonroad rebel cool is a good thing. Doing it this way is either badly thought out or abit weird. I find it offensive.

Would you have that symbol on your VW? How would you explain its design to someone if asked?

Imagine letting a bunch of 8 year olds research Hindu symbols for them to put on to their own Diya lamps that they're making for Diwali and end up with half the class producing stuff with swastikas on. It led to 10 mins very careful explaining what it was as they were taking the lamps home, luckily the German lad in my class was completely oblivious.

FIGHT!!!

Amateurs

Ours are council sanctioned!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/essex-county-council-asked-why-there-are-swastikas-carved-on-one-of-its-buildings-9153858.html

OK, Chelmsford is known for quite a few notable things, but not for being the nazi HQ

I did have it, in gold, I was aware of the symbolism, I quite liked the subversion. I used to really be into the history of VW, how British engineers helped the company grow after the war and the horror of nazi rule. The van I had could trace its roots right back to that period. I liked the obvious juxtaposition that everyone was out having fun in theses vehicles and the fact that it was subverting the original intent of the design and the symbols.

I took it off because it is a bit crass, I'm unconcerned that you're offended (in the nicest possible way) but I suppose I would be upset if I had knowingly caused deep offence to someone, it's not my vibe. 8)

The swastika was orginally a religous symbol, Adolf and Co, ruined that too.

On a much wider note the British far right use subtle symbolism- 1 & 8, Lonsdale, Fred Perry kit, hijacked New Balance trainers,

You are aware of the history of vw?

I've got a couple of Fred Perry tops, and I've just bought some new balance 😯

an eagle does not a fascist make!

"I used to really be into the history of VW, how British engineers helped the company grow after the war and the horror of nazi rule. "

Were you in to the rest of their history as well?

"Tatra sued Porsche for damages, and Porsche was willing to settle. However, Hitler cancelled this, saying he 'would settle the matter.' [5] When Czechoslovakia was invaded by the Nazis, the production of the T97 was immediately halted, and the lawsuit dropped"

There's a cultish aspect to VW fans (and other car brands). With the VAG crowd it's a celebration (for want of a better word) of all things germanic.

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Personally I don't think it's any kind of subversion. It's a nazi symbol, modified to include a nazi brand. But I don't find it offensive either, just very stupid.

. With the VAG crowd it's a celebration (for want of a better word) of all things germanic.

Yeah , right...

suburbanreuben

Yeah , right...

It is. What's your point?

As a pantheist I wear one as a generic symbol that transcends religions and faiths, but I'm very careful not to show it around, far too easily misinterpreted...

As a son of a German brought up in the 20s and 30s it means a rubber stamp on school reports and other government documents. Nothing more.

jimjam - Member
With the VAG crowd it's a celebration (for want of a better word) of all things germanic.

And there I was thinking my mk2 Golf was just a nice old car when infact it's the (only) sign that I'm a Deutscher fanboi.

Haven't noticed much of that on the Club GTI website either, I really must try harder if I'm to get my Nazi stripes.

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It's all true, my T5 is WHITE!

With the VAG crowd it's a celebration (for want of a better word) of all things germanic.

As a long time member of "the VAG crowd" with lots of friends that I've met over the years that are also, I can confirm, in my experience, this is a load of old bobbins.

Oh god sorry, I should have added "some" as a caveat for the hard of thinking. Obviously not every driving a vag car is going to do this. At the last count three people I know have or had some kind of variation on that eagle theme on their VWs.

Their cars are lowered, they go to meets or cruises, all that bullshit, you get the idea. They aren't Nazis I should point out. The same guys used to leave VW magazines in work and variations on the eagle sticker/decal and other germanic symbology seemed very common.

Das bobbins

Barring the obvious connotations does anyone else think the Nazi Reichsadler is actually an excellent design piece? It just looks very of it's time yet timeless in the same way that so many other design classics of that period were and still are.

Anyway, I remember less of a fuss when the BDS launched with this as their logo:

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whoops

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nealglover - Member

As a long time member of "the VAG crowd" with lots of friends that I've met over the years that are also, I can confirm, in my experience, this is a load of old bobbins.

So as a long term member of the VAG crowd I'm sure you've never known anyone to run German reg plates... 💡

Intent is key, as with most things.
Seen plenty of swastikas in India, and have seen much use of the eagle amongst my Polish family.

No Jews were gassed in either of these observations.

The Nazis did buildings and visual identity really well. You get into trouble for saying it though

http://new.spectator.co.uk/2011/03/liking-the-cut-of-rommels-uniform-doesnt-make-you-a-nazi/

http://gawker.com/5843124/hugo-boss-apologizes-for-making-nazis-look-fabulous

Oh god sorry, I should have added "some" as a caveat for the hard of thinking.

You probably should have said what you meant yes, then you wouldn't have to blame other people for presuming you meant what you said.

Obviously not every driving a vag car is going to do this.

I didn't think that's what you meant. I presumed you meant "enthusiasts" who maybe buy VW magazines etc.

Their cars are lowered, they go to meets or cruises, [b]all that bullshit, [/b]you get the idea.

You've clearly understood the VW "scene" well, I'm sure all your observations are just as well researched 🙂

So as a long term member of the VAG crowd I'm sure you've never known anyone to run German reg plates...

Pressed metal plates are quite popular yes, part of the overall Euro Look.

Equally popular are American spec lights, and American spec smoothed front bumpers. Vintage American accessories, swamp coolers, Brazilian and Mexican vintage parts and accessories etc. etc.

Pressed metal plates are quite popular yes

Unconvincing post is unconvincing. 😉

Unconvincing in what way ?

I've agreed that the plates are popular to achieve a certain look. As are many other things that have no relevance to Germany or "Germanic" things at all.

What did you want me to say ?

What did you want me to say?

German plates.

Call a spade a spade.

I've seen plenty of non-Euro look VWs adorned with German plates and German stickers which would suggest that jimjam was not in fact talking complete bobbins.

Certainly never ecountered any Nazi association though.

There are three of us in my office with old VWs, all lowered 1960s vehicles that we take to meets (and all that bullshit). Not an eagle between us I'm afraid.

German plates.
Call a spade a spade.

I called them pressed metal plates, because 99% of the time, that's what they are.
I wasn't being deliberately obtuse, and I agree they are popular.

I've seen plenty of non-Euro look VWs adorned with German plates and German stickers

Me too, And I've also seen hundreds of proper custom and resto VW's at Shows and meets that have nothing of the sort.

which would suggest that jimjam was not in fact talking complete bobbins.

No. This is still complete bobbins.......

With the VAG crowd it's a celebration (for want of a better word) of all things germanic.

If it were true, we would all be eating bratwurst with sauerkraut and wearing lederhosen while listening to oompah bands 😉

I'm confused.

The car I recently bought (BMW not VAG but still german!) has got pressed plates.

Am I a nazi?

Oh gawd I've got a shaved head too.

As an aside, I'm getting rid of them as I don't like the look of them, nazi or not!

Am I a nazi?

You might be. Hard to say.

But you've almost certainly got illegal plates, if you are driving in the UK 😉

If it were true, we would all be eating bratwurst with sauerkraut and wearing lederhosen while listening to oompah bands

I own a Jag and a Nissan and do this anyway, doesn't everyone? 😕

The Nazis did buildings and visual identity really well.

Ah, the Lemmy defence.

And they made the trains run on time. Or was that the fascists? I never remember.

One of my VW driving colleagues has sent me a number of links to The Daily Mail. I am starting to suspect he may have 88 tattooed on his body somewhere.

Barclays Eagle at Radbroke still has its claws!

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^ that reminds me of Eastern/Balkans and pre -Nazi era Eagles. The VW one is distinctive and really quite similar: [img] [/img]

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Before this weekend I didn't know such apeing existed. Such embalisim could cause alarm or distress. I know it made me look twice and mouth 'w..T.f'

"Tatra sued Porsche for damages, and Porsche was willing to settle. However, Hitler cancelled this, saying he 'would settle the matter.' [5] When Czechoslovakia was invaded by the Nazis, the production of the T97 was immediately halted, and the lawsuit dropped"

Yes thanks, but playing who is the biggest VW geek isn't relevant to the question I was answering honestly for hora.