[Closed] To PUSH or not?

do they set them up especially for your size/weight? if so then yeah what the hell, I probably would, but only if I was planning on running them for at least 12 months 🙂

Just been considering this myself-£150 would be a no go for me. I was hoping that £80ish would get a good service and tune for my weight etc.

You'd have to very unhappy with the forks regardless of spring/oil weight and set up to fork that out. And yes I bloody intended it.

I know, seems an awful pile of readies to me. It was cheaper a few months ago but shot up recently...

Can't say I'm not happy with Pikes like...

**** it. I ain't bothering, sorry all, silly question.

a tenner says he wakes up tomorrow and calls TF 😀

You're on MrNutt, I'll call them on Thursday and put your tenner towards it! 😆

Vic

got mine done as part of a service, costs £40 over and abovethe service as i recall.

well worth it in my opinion.

I would say that i have a pushed Roco shock on my rotec DH rig and it changed the ride completely (for the better). On the other hand a friend had his pikes pushed and didnt notice much differance at all. I would say a TF custom tune would be the best thing....

Its a lot of cash!

I had my Air Pikes Pushed about six months ago and they are ****in' brilliant. They were good before, but now you can rag the hell out of them on Peak rockeries and they just eat it up, whereas before under real provocation, they'd occasionally spike and start getting out of shape. If you're happy with them now, then I wouldn't bother, if you find they sometimes get out of shape, then I think it's a great mod. Also, TFT will ask you about your riding style, weight, what bike etc and set them to suit you. I run them about 5psi less positive than they suggest, but otherwise, spot on.

I'm not realy sure what "pushed" means.What exactly are you supposed to get for your money?

Coolhandluke - I picked up my 2nd hand Pikes this evening, so would be interested to hear what you think of yours if you get them Pushed.

I'm not realy sure what "pushed" means.What exactly are you supposed to get for your money?

[url= http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Push-Rock-Shox-Pike-2007.html ]This[/url].

I had my Air Pikes Pushed about six months ago and they are ****in' brilliant. They were good before, but now you can rag the hell out of them on Peak rockeries and they just eat it up, whereas before under real provocation, they'd occasionally spike and start getting out of shape. If you're happy with them now, then I wouldn't bother, if you find they sometimes get out of shape, then I think it's a great mod. Also, TFT will ask you about your riding style, weight, what bike etc and set them to suit you. I run them about 5psi less positive than they suggest, but otherwise, spot on.

Maybe I've misunderstood but I thought the Push upgrade was an improved (speed sensitive) rebound part.
How would this affect spiking (which I think means not enough oil can get through the compression dampers port orrifice and the floodgate is set too high to blow off) ?

I think it mods the compression damping at the same time, though I may be wrong. The link I posted above explains it pretty well. All I really care about is that the fork now holds everything together in a very composed sort of way in places where before it would occasionally get out of shape. Maybe it's more being able to pass more oil on the rebound stroke, but at any rate, it seems to work. I'll ask TF next time I see him.

I'd only echo what BWD has said. Its not night and day like a rear shock push though.

I like the way they don't squat down as much in steep slow techy sections and in corners. They much more composed at the ragged end as BWD says, but I found at the pressures TF recomended, I lost some small bump sensitivity, particularly on highspeed, small chattery stuff. This was sorted by dropping the pressure a bit.

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Let me get this straight, it's £150 for the service kit fitted and set up to your weight but you also have to send it over to the states at god knows how much then they charge you for shipping back again. surely thats something like £200 total if not more! That's rediculous. Is there anywhere in the uk that does it?

tftune do it here swoosh

ok so it's £100 for a tft service or £160 for a PUSH upgrade? (both including postage) do you get the forks serviced when they are PUSHed? if you do it might be worth the cost of getting it done as you will get a fork that is tuned to your body weight and riding.

Had some Sids tuned to my weight by TF once. They were bloody brilliant.

Is this PUSH'ing only for Air Forks ?

I'm surprised your not entirely thrilled with your Pikes.
I have Coil Pike's & they are simply brilliant, cant really see how they could be improved. They came into their own towards the end of a long ride in Derbyshire recently. Hit a rocky section way way too fast & it was all I could do to hold on. Was literally poised for crashing but the forks just soaked up everything they hit. They really saved my ass that day.

yup, all done at the same time.

the lack of spikeing could be due to the faster rebound, i.e. over a series of successive hits which most forks struggle on the fork cant move up and down quick enough. So by the last hit your running out of travel and the fork feels entirely different to when it hit the first bump (in bad cases, old boxxers, the air could even be sucked through the piston and you end up with slugs of air/oil hitting the piston). Faster rebound damping stops that by keeping the fork extended between hits.

thisisnotaspoon is spot on. After getting mine done, i noticed a lack of small bump compliance compared to standard pikes, spoke to Tim Flookes, who said wait until I had tried them on more demanding terrain, then I would notice a difference, a week or so later went the Lakes and the man was spot on, down a rocky BW they were completey unphased, stable and confidence inspiring. A very noticeable change for the better.

How much now?! Its gone up by a fair chunk from last year. Can you buy the PUSH'd kits from the US and convert yourself?

I had mine done, and to tell the truth for 99% of my riding it has made no difference (well no more than a decent service and oil change).

However on very fast trails (DH trails or very long fast descents) where you are going as fast as you can, and spinning out the pedals they are do feel nicer as they seem to track much better. However, not £150 quid nicer IMHO.

edit: I noticed that they were much harsher on the small stuff as well.

TBH if it was the old price (£100) I'd be tempted but £160 is 60% too much. Dont forget you have to post them off as well.

richc - Member
However, not £150 quid nicer IMHO.

I suppose technically its only £50-60 more if you get the service included.

I'm too posh to push.

its a pretty simple job to service them yourself, or get a LBS to do it and they will charge a lot less than £100 (mine costs £60 and the mechanic is an ex RockShox race mechanic)

RudeBoy - Member
I'm too puss to push.

eh?

Scardy Pussycat Mr Nutt

The TFTuned site says £139 +pp not £160

I think I'll keep my money.. Thanks for all your opinions.
Now,, where can I get a
"TOO POOR TO PUSH" sticker from?

zaskar - Member
Scardy Pussycat Mr Nutt

eh?!?

I spent a lot of time setting my Pikes up. Rebound, air pressure, compression damping etc. I played with them all. I decided to have them PUSHED when I had a service done, by that nice Mr Flooks. When they came back all the settings were completely different from what I thought were ideal. They feel like completely different forks. So much smoother especially on the rougher stuff. I thought it was well worth the money.

[i]UK-FLATLANDER - Member
The TFTuned site says £139 +pp not £160[/i]
Eh? How are you getting the forks to him? Plus you'll want the package insured. Then theres the '+PP' back hence reasonable to assume 20quid extra all in for both ways no? It aint rocketscience! 😉

See what you mean, but then the P+P will also add to the standard service cost. Haven't had this done to mine, but seriously considering it given the positive comments on the MTBR forum.

If you get the forks Pushed, you also get them fully serviced at the same time, which with TFT means they replace all the seals, fluids, various valves, resized bushings if needed etc. No, they're not cheap, but they're incredibly professional and efficient. Stuff gets done when they say it will and they even phone you while they're working on your fork to tell you exactly what they're doing to it etc.

I pretty much do all my own servicing, maintenance etc on my bikes, but I'm quite happy to use TFT for anything beyond a basic oil and seal change on forks. They won't, btw, simply supply the PUSH Industries parts, there's somemachining involved I think and, pretty reasonably, they want to make sure stuff is properly installed on a fully serviced fork.

And if it's too expensive for you, don't do it, simple 🙂

the only problem ive had with pushing one set of forks is I want them all done now , its a great upgrade.

re P&P.

Using Royal Mail for a package of the weight and value of my set of Pikes I was quoted something like £25, one way. I ran TF on Monday morning at 9.30, they arranged for them to be collected and insured with a courier. He came at 3.30, and the forks were back with me on Wednesday at 10.30, again by insured courier. Total cost for both journeys was £20. I thought that was good value.

I had some old sids serviced, not pushed or anything. The difference was amazing. Ive also owned a gt dhi ( oh how i miss thee!) which had had the fox rear shock, and 888's set up with different oil weights etc by mojo. The suspension was the best I've ever ridden without a question. Far better than standard 888's and shock.

So if you are paying 100 pounds or so to get them serviced, and you intend to keep the foks for a while, i think it is definitely worth the extra money.

How's it all work then.
I'm on the work pc and we can't get all the links like youtube.
Can you push coil pikes or is it just air.
I'm going to send them off to TFT because they need a service and a new spring, I'm 13 1/2 stone and I'm still riding with the one it came with.

I believe the PUSH system is fited to the damping mechanisms, not the spring, so both coil and air Rebas/Revs/Pikes can be "PUSH'd" 🙂

Tim "Ronseal" Flooks,....

Does exactly what they claim, stuff gets picked up when they say they will, I get it back when they tell me it will be back. Works every time for me. Pushed stuff works for me, loads more control. Worth a bit more on a regular service..

re P&P.

Using Royal Mail for a package of the weight and value of my set of Pikes I was quoted something like £25, one way.

Madness. I sent a set of Fox forks in the post today for less than 8 quid.